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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 12:00 am 
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I'm talking more about the Crusades back in the Middle Ages.

I think the violent Muslims (Note not the peaceful ones) are just retards who can't accept other people not following their religion. That's what I mean when I say Faith and Religion are different. Faith is when a person sincerely believes into whatever he believes in and accepts others not believing into it. He can still preach and stuff but accepts it when a person declines him. Religious people just follow their religion because that's what their parents/grandparents did and try to force people into coming onto their beliefs and whoever doesn't is a person to either avoid or someone to kill.

If that made sense...

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 5:06 am 
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Dokter Bob wrote:
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I think Religion should be banned but not Faith. I think religion and Faith are two entirely different things. Yes, Religion has started a very large amount of wars. Especially Christianity vs. Muslims.


Americans are just fighting for the Muslims to stop. I think

The Muslims think it's a religious fight.


NO, thats radical Muslims. They give all teh rest of the Muslims a bad name, which is really sad.

Also, it is impossible to ban religion in the USA, thats what we are built from.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 6:16 am 
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Religion fills up a lot of our history - without it, things would be VERY diferent.

For my case I feel no misery from religion being around (I am an atheist though.) because modern Finnish language was created while translating new testament from German to Finnish - and finding out that the ancient Finnish lacked a lot of words.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 3:32 pm 
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For the question, personally, religion gives me a purpose of being on Earth other than ... advancing our race and dying off eventually, I guess. I'd rather be here believing in religious stuff and dying knowing that I followed it, than just knowing I was another one of the millions of people helping humans advance (not all people do, but you could argue about that as well I guess). Don't get me wrong, I'll help humanity, but I'd rather not live and die with just that purpose.

If we didn't have religion starting now, people would just find excuses to do things other people don't like is my guess. Politics, for example? :P Although they could be changed immensily without religion as a factor.

In my life, no religion wouldn't really effect me, it wouldn't make my world a better place, but it might for a lot of people. If there never was religion, the most I would see is super markets or whatever where churches would have been. It's too hard to say what I'd believe without it.

Ironic though .. we're learning about the Puritans in english .. their beliefs help them survive at first, but they eventually die off around the 6th generation due to, well, their religion (predestination, salem witch trials, sin being 'vain entertainment' or having fun perhaps). Maybe they'd be alive if it weren't for religion.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, that's just what I'm thinking about. Too bad we all can't be friends :/

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 4:54 pm 
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Veggie Eater wrote:
"* Without religion people would be more concerned with what they did with their lives, and what they avoided.
* Without religion the strongest and most divisive form of segregation would be dissolved and many wars and borders would become irrelevant."

Which coincides with:

Without religion people would not be so close-minded to same *** marriage.



im not religious, i just don't wanna see two guys kissing or two women kissing, well i do if there women but thats a different story for another day. Just quit using relgious freaks as a reason Homosexuals cant get married, its clearly defined in our constitutions that marriage is between One man and One women. Besides its been brought up to vote to see if the American people can vote on the issue of *** marriage, its always shot down because AMERICANS DONT WANT *** MARRIAGE..

Anywho, the world is fine with religion, its the extreme relgious we have to worry about. My mom is very involved in church, she would never blow her self up for Christ, nor does she force me to go to church because she thinks it your choice.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 4:57 pm 
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I'm not trying to start a flame war, that's just what I'm thinking about. Too bad we all can't be friends :/


To be honest threads like this tend to be made just to annoy religious people but hey, who am I to suggest such a thing. :oops:
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Personally I think that, generally, people who still believe religion is the ultimate evil bent on controlling the world through violence should reanalyse everything around them and realise the sole reason wars and the like are started, is because of Money, Power, and Greed. No more, no less. Argue any differently and you're confusing two seperate things. In the overly sensitive world of today it's only obvious religion and race are used as excuses, because those in charge like to be politically correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 5:56 pm 
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Kyle wrote:
Veggie Eater wrote:
"* Without religion people would be more concerned with what they did with their lives, and what they avoided.
* Without religion the strongest and most divisive form of segregation would be dissolved and many wars and borders would become irrelevant."

Which coincides with:

Without religion people would not be so close-minded to same *** marriage.



im not religious, i just don't wanna see two guys kissing or two women kissing, well i do if there women but thats a different story for another day. Just quit using relgious freaks as a reason Homosexuals cant get married, its clearly defined in our constitutions that marriage is between One man and One women. Besides its been brought up to vote to see if the American people can vote on the issue of *** marriage, its always shot down because AMERICANS DONT WANT *** MARRIAGE..

Anywho, the world is fine with religion, its the extreme relgious we have to worry about. My mom is very involved in church, she would never blow her self up for Christ, nor does she force me to go to church because she thinks it your choice.


Hey Bud, no need to get testy. Again, I didn't say it would resolve the discrimination against homosexuals, it would just help.

I believe everyone should believe whatever they want. If you believe in God, cool. I don't, which is also fine. I just don't like people discriminating against something they don't really believe in.


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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
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Kyle wrote:
Veggie Eater wrote:
"* Without religion people would be more concerned with what they did with their lives, and what they avoided.
* Without religion the strongest and most divisive form of segregation would be dissolved and many wars and borders would become irrelevant."

Which coincides with:

Without religion people would not be so close-minded to same *** marriage.



im not religious, i just don't wanna see two guys kissing or two women kissing, well i do if there women but thats a different story for another day. Just quit using relgious freaks as a reason Homosexuals cant get married, its clearly defined in our constitutions that marriage is between One man and One women. Besides its been brought up to vote to see if the American people can vote on the issue of *** marriage, its always shot down because AMERICANS DONT WANT *** MARRIAGE..

Anywho, the world is fine with religion, its the extreme relgious we have to worry about. My mom is very involved in church, she would never blow her self up for Christ, nor does she force me to go to church because she thinks it your choice.



america, land of the free (but only if your not ***!), home of the brave.

is that what you mean? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 6:07 pm 
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every time i type people seem to think im being mean, im really not a violent person, i wasn't yealing i swear. I just strongly belive in our constitution so i dont believe in *** marriage..

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 21st, 2008, 6:10 pm 
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Kyle wrote:
every time i type people seem to think im being mean, im really not a violent person, i wasn't yealing i swear. I just strongly belive in our constitution so i dont believe in *** marriage..



I think it was the all caps that made you seem angry XD
It's cool, we have different beliefs, lets leave it at that :)


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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
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Without religion, more than 5 wars in our past would've never occurred.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 22nd, 2008, 5:20 am 
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Without religion, more than 5 wars in our past would've never occurred.


You could say that, but I dont think Saddam did it because of religion.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 22nd, 2008, 7:35 am 
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Just pulling a quote From Saddam Hussein's wikipedia page;

In reference to the Gulf War:

'Saddam Hussein did what his Gulf patrons had earlier paid him to prevent.' Having removed the threat of Iranian fundamentalism he 'overran Kuwait and confronted his Gulf neighbors in the name of Arab nationalism and Islam.'

Sure you could find plenty more if you could be bothered to go through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 22nd, 2008, 10:33 am 
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Stasik50 wrote:
I think Religion should be banned but not Faith. I think religion and Faith are two entirely different things. Yes, Religion has started a very large amount of wars. Especially Christianity vs. Muslims.

Few wars are fought over religion. Just you lot seem to think they are because it happens to coincide with the real reason why countries invade or whatever. If you want to look at some examples:

WW1 - Arch Duke of Austria was assassinated, the assassin from a gang in Montenegro. Austrian forces attacked Montenegro, and the proverbial **** hit the fan.
WW2 (Europe) - Technically this is the same war as WW1, as there was a 20 year truce, but it all kicked off when Hitler commanded the nazis to invade Poland in hunt of a larger empire, in which to crush the Jews, because they, in Hitler's opinion, where what caused Germany to fail in conquest in WW1.
WW2 (Pacific) - This was just a fight between land, mainly Korea, by China and Japan. Allied and Axis forces shortly joined to help their allies.
Gulf War (1991 war) - Iraq invaded Kuwait, because they accused Kuwait of drilling into Iraq land for oil.
Current Iraq war - An attempt at disarmament of Iraq
Falklands War - The Argies stole our Islands!
The Hundred Years War(1337 to 1453) - This was a dispute between a French household, and an English household, as to the new King of France. The war just got a bit out of hand to be honest.

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 Post subject: Re: Ah, a world without religion
PostPosted: August 22nd, 2008, 11:40 am 
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I dont really agree with this :?


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