Question

zvono · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 5:04 am

Ow yea I forgot to say.

The history teaches us that every country that was the one attacking always failed at some point.

Napoleon, Hitler, Alexander, Dzingis Kan(I'm not sure if I spelled it right...)

Adbot · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 5:04 am

Gontcha · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 6:02 am

Adolf signed a non-attack trait with USSR, but then backstabbed and began the operation Barbarossa.

Russians made the biggest sacrifice, 21 million, 7 million citizens included.
And still, the alliance and the soviets made it to Berlin.

America wasn't needed, but, in my opininion, if there weren't any emerikins, stalin would annex whole Europe and the war would continue, but instead of that, we got nice and cold war.

Animated gif about the development of WWII

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 7:12 am

I just looked at that link in the first post and i have to say HA.

wiki wrote:

Following swift victory in the Battle of France, Germany believed the war in the West was won. However, the United Kingdom refused peace talks.

I **** love that line. Hahaha bet they never thought we'd put up such a resistence.

As for anyone thinking that invasion would of worked, look at the battle of Britain. They got screwed. They couldn't destroy the RAF, they couldn't break british spirits and they most certainly never stood a chance against the british navey.

Never would they have invaded our country. Even if they got on the land, the public would of fought for there homes.

Evelyn · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 8:10 am

I would say no, because Germany was working on a Nuclear project. Einstien told the US president at that time that Germany was working on such a thing. But if the US wasn't in the war, then Germany would've nuked everyone.

Also I think, very indirectly, that the nuking of Japan gave birth to video games, electronics, and other advanced-looking stuff.

Gontcha · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 9:28 am

Cliff Dude wrote:

Also I think, very indirectly, that the nuking of Japan gave birth to video games, electronics, and other advanced-looking stuff.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

but what creepy said was true, RAF was outnumbered, but pwnded Luftwaffe and navy was pounding the U boot submarines into the abyss.

Jaden · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 11:12 am

trekkie wrote:

no if hitler had actually done operation sea lion as planned britain would have been gone, that or he didn't go after russia. if japan had helped germany in the war with russia he might have won.

besides if america didn't go into the war we wouldn't have our computers.

No kidding. Without Hitler's mistakes I'm sure that War wouldn't turn out to pretty for the Allies.

Adbot · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 11:12 am

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 6:11 pm

Jaden wrote:

trekkie wrote:

no if hitler had actually done operation sea lion as planned britain would have been gone, that or he didn't go after russia. if japan had helped germany in the war with russia he might have won.

besides if america didn't go into the war we wouldn't have our computers.

No kidding. Without Hitler's mistakes I'm sure that War wouldn't turn out to pretty for the Allies.

You guys really need to read up on that Operation sea lion.

The plan was to take down the RAF, distract the british navey in the north allowing the german troops to invade from the south, capturing London and pushing north untill we surrendered.

It was a smart plan but there tried attempt at taking down the RAF failed and they changed tactics, instead they figured they'd just bomb the living crap out of London. The invasion never went ahead because of it.

I don't know much about this operation sealion myself but i fail to see why germany would stop attacking the RAF and switch to bombing london unless the battle with the RAF wasn't going to good, despite them having a 4:1 advantage in the sky.

Although i must agree, without Russia things could of gotten bad.

James · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 8:55 pm

Brad wrote:

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

do you think bio warfare wepions being tested on poor human women men and children is savage? Japan would go over china with planes and drop bombs filled with fleas and rats to spread sickness. They would go and kidnap little kids and mothers just to test their poisons on them? do you think thats savage?

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 9:25 pm

James wrote:

Brad wrote:

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

do you think bio warfare wepions being tested on poor human women men and children is savage? Japan would go over china with planes and drop bombs filled with fleas and rats to spread sickness. They would go and kidnap little kids and mothers just to test their poisons on them? do you think thats savage?

That's never been proven, the Japanes goverment has never admitted to it.

They certainly didn't drop rats. XD It was rumored there was one or two rats, obviously dropping a rat from a plane is going to kill it. XD

Fleas though, yeah, rumoured to be true, they've never admitted.

Pat · **Posted:** July 26th, 2007, 10:26 pm

Japan killed over a million people in China, most in extremely brutal ways such as burning alive in a oil-soaked sack, being buried alive, raped, tortured, tested on, and other various inhuman treatment. A million people died, that's a 1 followed by 6 0's.

And also, the Brits in this topic act as if Americans are too filled with pride and patriotism to accept that Britain would have done fine. This may be true, in fact it probably is. However the hypocrisy is somewhat clear. Are you too filled with pride and patriotism that you can't be thankful to the US for helping you out and potentially saving millions of your citizens and your cities?

Without the help of the US, how long do you think YOU could have held out? Months? Maybe even a year? In that year or so, how many people do you think would have died from the constant bombings and attacks.

And this is just Britain, can you imagine the damage Nazi Germany would have caused to other countries if another year went by?

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 27th, 2007, 2:57 am

thorny wrote:

Japan killed over a million people in China, most in extremely brutal ways such as burning alive in a oil-soaked sack, being buried alive, raped, tortured, tested on, and other various inhuman treatment. A million people died, that's a 1 followed by 6 0's.

And also, the Brits in this topic act as if Americans are too filled with pride and patriotism to accept that Britain would have done fine. This may be true, in fact it probably is. However the hypocrisy is somewhat clear. Are you too filled with pride and patriotism that you can't be thankful to the US for helping you out and potentially saving millions of your citizens and your cities?

Without the help of the US, how long do you think YOU could have held out? Months? Maybe even a year? In that year or so, how many people do you think would have died from the constant bombings and attacks.

And this is just Britain, can you imagine the damage Nazi Germany would have caused to other countries if another year went by?

Well you didn't really get involved till two years after the war started, so i think we could of held out as long as needed. Course we'd never have been able to do it if you guys wasn't loaning us money.

Funny that, you took two years out and just lent everyone money. Anyone would think the American goverment was cashing in on it at the time when they could of ended it at the start.

As for us being hypocrites, no. I know i'm being over the top patriotic and rather up myself country wise. It's the reason this topic was created, course it was never created with the intention of Britain looking great. But i do so love history so why not.

Anyway as for Japan, a lot of countrys did some extremly terrible things (gasing the jews perhaps?) they never got a nuclear bomb fired. But this topic isn't about Japan is it?

It's about if you think America was needed in WW2.

Gontcha · **Posted:** July 27th, 2007, 10:06 am

USA did lent money for rebuilt though, but again, USA wasn't needed.
Also, remember, you emerikins are Europeans gone bad xD.

Cappeh · **Posted:** July 27th, 2007, 11:03 am

It is not simply a matter of me being British (Or rather English) that I chose yes.

Recall the timing of the American assistance.

We did pretty darn well on our own remember.

'CaP

Sworded · **Posted:** July 27th, 2007, 6:48 pm

People should have listened to Winston Churchill and solved the Nazi problem in the 1930's. That way the US would definitely not been needed.

ryan1 · **Posted:** July 27th, 2007, 8:57 pm

It's hard to say. I don't think Britain would have ever completely 'lost'. There would have always been rebellions and stuff.

We certainly sped it up, though. Also, before we were in it ourselves, we were supplying the allies with tons of weapons and other supplies with what I believe was called the 'lend-lease' program.

Yes, here it is, Wikipedia article

Quote:

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to nearly $700 billion at 2007 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China.

Quote:

Lend-Lease was a critical factor in the eventual success of the Allies in World War II, particularly in the early years when the United States was not directly involved