Human-Animal hybrid beings

Bogrollbloke · **Posted:** May 19th, 2008, 2:30 pm

Human-Animal hybrid beings, Saviour Siblings and Stem Cell work.

BBC link
Daily Telegraph link

Two interesting articles. Discuss.

Adbot · **Posted:** May 19th, 2008, 2:30 pm

Kyle · **Posted:** May 19th, 2008, 2:47 pm

I read the Daily Telegraph article and id have to agree. Id love to give babies the best chance to live "sickness free" as they can get. If we could solve autism and retardation that would be great. i love how they don't have to use embryos from unborn babies. But does this topic cross the line as playing god? That would be the only problem in America. Nice article tho.

hummerwar921 · **Posted:** May 19th, 2008, 4:16 pm

There's a guy who grows bark and moss out from his skin.

I don't believe in hybrid embryonic research.

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** May 20th, 2008, 2:48 am

It's already being fought against as being "immoral" and playing god. I think theres a good chance it'll go through and be allowed to go ahead though, which is a good thing. I don't consider it playing god, i consider it human progression.

Step forward into becoming something greater.

Brad · **Posted:** May 20th, 2008, 3:03 am

Anybody who believes the chance to cure diseases and save lives ought to be passed up because of irrational and unjustified beliefs is an idiot.

These sort of people who so readily crusade against scientific advances should be denied it's benefits should they ever become ill.

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** May 21st, 2008, 2:55 pm

I agree, opposition to this type of research is very pig-headed. However, if we do manage to do this successfully (and Alzheimer's and cancer can be cured), diseases that are more dangerous and advanced may come along. I'm just saying that the battle against disease will always be an on-going one, but we need to advance in medical research to solve these problems anyway.

Adbot · **Posted:** May 21st, 2008, 2:55 pm

murdererdood · **Posted:** May 21st, 2008, 4:05 pm

Cancer will never be cured.

This is bloody brilliant, though. Fascinating stuff.

Ranging God · **Posted:** May 21st, 2008, 7:21 pm

Brad wrote:

Anybody who believes the chance to cure diseases and save lives ought to be passed up because of irrational and unjustified beliefs is an idiot.

These sort of people who so readily crusade against scientific advances should be denied it's benefits should they ever become ill.

You look like a idiot for saying that Brad.. How is it irrational to say that Stem Cell is immoral? It is killing a life for another..

murdererdood wrote:

Cancer will never be cured.

This is bloody brilliant, though. Fascinating stuff.

Why not?

Jaden · **Posted:** May 21st, 2008, 9:20 pm

murdererdood wrote:

Cancer will never be cured.

This is bloody brilliant, though. Fascinating stuff.

Yeah, you just made yourself sound like an idiot by saying that. I do hope you were joking at least. Why not tell what you just said to the hundreds or thousands (or more) of people who are doing research in that field for finding a cure for cancer and tell them to stop because there is no cure. I'm sure you'd get your *** raped by someone guaranteed. There is a thing called hope and faith just like one has faith in their beliefs, such as god. Saying that there is no cure for cancer is equivalent to me saying that there is no god, in a way. And if I told that to the millions who believe in god, I'd probably get my *** raped to by some cult.

I know I'm making such a big fuss of this, but I just disagree with you, which sums everything up.

Chow..

Brad · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 2:15 am

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

Anybody who believes the chance to cure diseases and save lives ought to be passed up because of irrational and unjustified beliefs is an idiot.

These sort of people who so readily crusade against scientific advances should be denied it's benefits should they ever become ill.

You look like a idiot for saying that Brad.. How is it irrational to say that Stem Cell is immoral? It is killing a life for another..

Don't try and word it like it's taking one human life for another, because it's nothing like that.

An Embryo is not a human life. The embryos they use for stem cells are 4-5 days old. That is nowhere near a human life. I can only imagine you're heavily pro-life if you really believe that. But if you'd rather people die than use undeveloped embryos to save them. Then you are the one who is an idiot.

Ranging God · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 6:22 am

Brad wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

Brad wrote:

Anybody who believes the chance to cure diseases and save lives ought to be passed up because of irrational and unjustified beliefs is an idiot.

These sort of people who so readily crusade against scientific advances should be denied it's benefits should they ever become ill.

You look like a idiot for saying that Brad.. How is it irrational to say that Stem Cell is immoral? It is killing a life for another..

Don't try and word it like it's taking one human life for another, because it's nothing like that.

An Embryo is not a human life. The embryos they use for stem cells are 4-5 days old. That is nowhere near a human life. I can only imagine you're heavily pro-life if you really believe that. But if you'd rather people die than use undeveloped embryos to save them. Then you are the one who is an idiot.

Um.. it is immoral? What, there are only 1.3 Billion Catholics who believe that this is immoral? WE cant play god, and every life has a soul. So we are just creating life to destroy it... Oh but Brad says that it's ok.. You not as high as you think Brad ok.. You only bashing the larges form of Christianity here..

Brad · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 6:39 am

Ranging God wrote:

Um.. it is immoral? What, there are only 1.3 Billion Catholics who believe that this is immoral? WE cant play god, and every life has a soul. So we are just creating life to destroy it... Oh but Brad says that it's ok.. You not as high as you think Brad ok.. You only bashing the larges form of Christianity here..

Im not saying because I say it, it's ok. Take whatever personal problems you have with me out of this debate please. For one it's making you look immature and for another it's invalidating your point even more so. What I'm saying is, if you want to live with your 'morals' fine. But I'd rather be 'immoral' by your judgement and live, than be moral and die, or for that matter, see other people die, when there was a very good chance their lives could have been saved.

Like I said, if you want to keep trying to take cheap shots at me, find another place to do it. Because theres no way I'm sinking to your level.

Ranging God · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 9:07 am

Brad wrote:

Ranging God wrote:

Um.. it is immoral? What, there are only 1.3 Billion Catholics who believe that this is immoral? WE cant play god, and every life has a soul. So we are just creating life to destroy it... Oh but Brad says that it's ok.. You not as high as you think Brad ok.. You only bashing the larges form of Christianity here..

Im not saying because I say it, it's ok. Take whatever personal problems you have with me out of this debate please. For one it's making you look immature and for another it's invalidating your point even more so. What I'm saying is, if you want to live with your 'morals' fine. But I'd rather be 'immoral' by your judgement and live, than be moral and die, or for that matter, see other people die, when there was a very good chance their lives could have been saved.

Like I said, if you want to keep trying to take cheap shots at me, find another place to do it. Because theres no way I'm sinking to your level.

I never took any cheap shots at you... You just take others morals and bash them.. You had a perfect right to say, "I think thats stem cell research is ok" but what you did was bash others, saying that we were all stupid for the fact that we feel this is immoral.. So dont say I was being immature.

Brad wrote:

Anybody who believes the chance to cure diseases and save lives ought to be passed up because of irrational and unjustified beliefs is an idiot.

I am pretty sure that you saying this is immature. Why must you always bash other people. Is it a self-security issue?

Brad · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 9:40 am

Umm no, the unjustified beliefs thing was relating to an article I read in a British newspaper where the propositions that were being voted on by MPs were described as 'frankstein experiments' it has nothing to do with religion.

Theres a lesson for you, don't jump to conclusions. I never mentioned or implied anything against religion in any of my posts on this thread. So don't try and accuse me of it. And if you want to talk about insecurity, how about you assuming I'd insulted whatever beliefs you have with no real proof of it?

If you wish to take this further, feel free to PM me. This topic has been derailed enough.

Mushroom Queen · **Posted:** May 22nd, 2008, 12:44 pm

To be fair, Ranging God, the embryos that are used for stem cell research are one that will be destroyed if they're not used. Whether or not we should have dominion over our bodies to the extent that we can grow human parts without nature is an entirely different thing that has no right or wrong answer. People could die without stem cell research and embryos (which many count as human lives, and I don't debate that) can die as well. Either way, I do believe that they're able to substitute stem cells from embryos with stem cells from skin.