It looks like Jagex is starting to clean up their act

Bonsai99 · **Posted:** September 1st, 2011, 10:36 pm

Recently I reported a botter and instead of taking 1 week+ to receive any sort of ban at all like in my bot busting experiment they recieved a ban in only 4 days. So do you think Jagex has finally decided to clean up their act? Or do you think that they are just getting less reports nowadays because people have given up? Also if you think Jagex have cleaned up their act, why do you think they are doing it? Is it because they finally realized that it was getting to the point where people were quitting?

Edit: Removed content that was controversial.

Adbot · **Posted:** September 1st, 2011, 10:36 pm

Killjoy · **Posted:** September 1st, 2011, 11:04 pm

Honest question. Why are you being such an ***. Seriously. Who gives a ****?
Does it really matter to you that much that someone is botting?
And if it does you should really get another hobby because that is unhealthy.
Just me.. I don't really care if he bots or not and I would never do this to someone else.

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Anubis · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:01 am

1) You reported a BnB member for "botting", and I use quotes because anyone who reports someone for "botting" is not reporting them FOR "botting" but reporting them because "they might be botting", with what I assume to be a desire to see them banned/reset.
2) You OUTED them, in public, on the forum, after they got banned/reset as a consequence of you reporting them, GLOATING that you did it. As if you should be proud.

Doesn't matter if [person] broke a rule. You were never in a position to act upon it and unfortunately for you I think I speak for everyone on this forum when I say there is a presumption that if you break a rule and you're caught out; you're not going to get reported - because we're friends. People can agree/disagree with this if they like and I am certainly, under no circumstances, saying that breaking the rules is ok, but, if I were to 'catch' Mike botting, or Priss, or Killjoy4eva up there, I wouldn't report them.

Because I have honour.

You Bonsai, obviously, lack. honour.

And that's quite a sad place to be.

hummerwar921 · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:32 am

I used to run a clan called the Anti Macroer Club, and we went around reporting obvious botters (back when they all had named like Qfdfdg325 and had default clothing), but I personally thing this is *******.

**** move on your part. What if they weren't botting, and Jagex banned an innocent member of RSBandB? All because you thought they *might* be botting?

Priss · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:34 am

Sorry to disagree with you Anubis, but if I do catch someone (specially from bnb) I would report them. No matter who it is. Of course I would make sure 100% they are botting before reporting and not just assume.

Yes Bonsai did go to some extreme but maybe this is the only way bots can really be dealt with. Also, it sets an example for the rest of the bnb members.

Answering your question Bonsai:
I am glad to see Jagex take action so quickly. But even tho I did like to think that Jagex is really taking action. For some reason I am getting the feeling that this specific bot was banned because it was posted on youtube and that actually made them look into it. Next time I go red salamander hunting I am going to write down some of the bots I find and see if they are taken action against. This bots are real easy to tell apart from a real multitasking player.

Anubis · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:40 am

Y'don't need to apologise Priss. At the end of the day, he probably got what he deserved and I doubt he'd get banned if he was innocent.

But I still think it's wrong to out a bnb member in such a way. It actually sickens me. It's the same as ringing the police if you found your friend smoking a spliff.

I think that puts my opinion into perspective quite nicely so I'm going to leave it at that.

edited to comply with shame's edit of my first post

Adbot · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:40 am

Rodsay · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:40 am

So the person botting, whoever they might be, has Honour?

We all agree to the same T&C when we play Runescape, anyone botting knows they are breaking the agreement they signed up to.

If they are your 'friend' you could try reasoning with them and if from this forum you could send them a PM .

If they just carry on botting, then maybe they are not such a 'friend' after all; they certainly do not have any Honour. The players who bot their way to high scores have made most of the capes worthless, and are an insult to those players who work every XP point of the way.

However I do agree that gloating is not a good follow-up.

Bonsai99 · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 12:50 am

Anubis wrote:

1) You reported a BnB member for "botting", and I use quotes because anyone who reports someone for "botting" is not reporting them FOR "botting" but reporting them because "they might be botting", with what I assume to be a desire to see them banned/reset.
2) You OUTED them, in public, on the forum, after they got banned/reset as a consequence of you reporting them, GLOATING that you did it. As if you should be proud.

Doesn't matter if ******* broke a rule. You were never in a position to act upon it and unfortunately for you I think I speak for everyone on this forum when I say there is a presumption that if you break a rule and you're caught out; you're not going to get reported - because we're friends. People can agree/disagree with this if they like and I am certainly, under no circumstances, saying that breaking the rules is ok, but, if I were to 'catch' Mike botting, or Priss, or Killjoy4eva up there, I wouldn't report them.

Because I have honour.

You Bonsai, obviously, lack. honour.

And that's quite a sad place to be.

Anyone that bots lacks honor and THAT is quite a sad place to be, its annoying not being able to play how you did in the old days without the whordes of bots stealing your resources and devaluing your levels and items. People like that need to be stopped, and my friends on the forums and on runescape have mostly the same opinions as me on bots so I would never catch them botting in the first place and if I did I would just warn them about the risks but I wouldn't report them.

In response to number one
Just because someone is a member of the same forums as me doesn't mean we are friends and doesn't mean they should be excluded from the runescape rules. And yes I did want to see a ban, people using bots to play the game with no effort at all shouldn't be allowed to devalue other people's items/accomplishments.

In response to number two
Yes I was gloating and was happy because so many people doubted me and also an illigitimate player was stopped from devaluing people's items/accomplishments.

And Anubis I see where you are coming from and understand it was maybe a bit extreme and that's why I removed the content.

Anubis · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 1:35 am

Read my post again, I never said anywhere that a bot has/had honour. I simply stated you didn't. Because you don't. I've been a member of these forums far too long to go into another MY OPINION'S MORE RIGHT battle so I'm just gonna lay my on the table and you can feel free to accept it or reject it. I don't care.

So let's just leave it at this.

I don't agree with anything you did.
I think it was a disgusting move.
RSB&B members may not be friends in your eyes but in such a small community they should be.
They are to me, anyway.

I guess that's why I see things a little differently here.
I don't treat people on these forums as if I don't know them. I treat them how I'd treat my RL friends.
You don't.
We're obviously of different minds where one of us holds people where they should be held, and the other holds themselves highly and seeks to destroy others for personal gain.
Guess which one you are.

Carry on with your ONE MAN CRUSADE AGAINST THE BOTS.
Maybe you'll be modded one day.

Bonsai99 · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 2:09 am

Anubis wrote:

RSB&B members may not be friends in your eyes but in such a small community they should be. They are to me, anyway.

We're obviously of different minds where one of us holds people where they should be held, and the other holds themselves highly and seeks to destroy others for personal gain.
Guess which one you are.

Carry on with your ONE MAN CRUSADE AGAINST THE BOTS.
Maybe you'll be modded one day.

I do see RSB&B members as friends just not the ones that join the community and the first thing I see them do is bot.

I do hold people where they should be held, I don't think bots should be very respected but I do admit I went a bit overboard.

And I doubt I'll ever be a PMod :cry:

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And one last thing, I don't think 1 forum post that was a bit overboard is a good deciding factor on who I am as a person.

Anubis · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 2:24 am

Eh I went a bit overboard myself. Lack of sleep does that for ya. I do apologise for that.

At the end of the day; while I don't agree with how you did it, or indeed who you did it to, you did show that Jagex can ban illegitimate players quickly. Makes you wonder why they did it so quickly to him and not to the others. Was probably the youtube video and the fact they don't like people publicising how bad a state their game's in.

As much as it pains me to do so i do have to commend you on your determination with the matter, but you do realise it's a lost cause and for every one bot banned another six take it's place.

Sorry again.

Bonsai99 · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 2:44 am

Anubis wrote:

Eh I went a bit overboard myself. Lack of sleep does that for ya. I do apologise for that.

At the end of the day; while I don't agree with how you did it, or indeed who you did it to, you did show that Jagex can ban illegitimate players quickly. Makes you wonder why they did it so quickly to him and not to the others. Was probably the youtube video and the fact they don't like people publicising how bad a state their game's in.

As much as it pains me to do so i do have to commend you on your determination with the matter, but you do realise it's a lost cause and for every one bot banned another six take it's place.

Sorry again.

No problem, lack of sleep probably caused me to put all of that stuff in my first post #-o

That's why doing really boring stuff in runescape is sometimes best to do late at night/early in the morning, you don't even think about what you are doing.

Anyway back to the question at hand, keep the responses coming

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 4:21 am

No there not. Don't be fooled. Someone PM me the **** name of the person in question i want to know who it is so i can send them hate mail. Ok i wont send hate mail i just hating missing out on E-Drama.

Also I'd report anyone i knew 110% was botting. This site or not. Couldn't give a toss.

Priss · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 4:51 am

Anubis wrote:

It's the same as ringing the police if you found your friend smoking a spliff.

I know where you are coming from. I choose very strictly who my real friends are, probably why I have so few. But for me, botting is more like murder in real life. If my best friend ended up killing someone on purpose, no I would not call to the police. But if it becomes the first of many, you can be sure I will do something about it.

Hope that helps you understand my view on this a bit better.

P.S. My friends would never kill someone on purpose, unless it self-defense or trying to protect someone.

Anubis · **Posted:** September 2nd, 2011, 5:24 am

Priss wrote:

I know where you are coming from. I choose very strictly who my real friends are, probably why I have so few. But for me, botting is more like murder in real life. If my best friend ended up killing someone on purpose, no I would not call to the police. But if it becomes the first of many, you can be sure I will do something about it.

Hope that helps you understand my view on this a bit better.

P.S. My friends would never kill someone on purpose, unless it self-defense or trying to protect someone.

I understand everyone's view on it; I guess I was sorely mistaken when I said earlier that I believed there was some sort of 'presumption' about not reporting, but I still stand by what I said, about myself anyway. I wouldn't turn on someone instantly because they're doing something or appear to be doing something and I guess that's what struck my nerve. Many a time I've been Smithing and someone's ended up following me and I've not realised since 70% of the time I'm not even watching the screen, chat off, XD. Just keep sound on to know when to run back to the bank.

As far as analogies go I prefer to think botting as not so much a serious breach of a rule but more of one that's gotten wayyy out of hand. sort of like drug dealing or at the worst, theft. Bug abuse gets my worst thing to do and going by what 've seen Jagex seems to think the same. Botters tend to get 14 day bans and maybe a (partial)reset if they didn't apologise hard enough. Bug abusers are out for life. Botting's more of an annoyance to me. I have to switch worlds a lot and go onto french/german servers to do certain slayer tasks but then again i've always had to do that. Whether i was begrudgingly training mining or diligently killing monsters for the slayer masters there was always the fact when I got to my training area, 70% of the time, it'd be full. So I'd switch.

So for me, the only bad thing I've seen bots do are **** the economy up just a little bit more than the RWI traders did.
Nevertheless they deserve to be banned and I guess this post signals exactly how much people hate it. But consider this;

If botting wasn't so rife in our game nowadays there wouldn't be such a genocidal hatred towards it. Sure, only a few years ago everyone felt the same about RWI traders and goldfarmers. Now it's bots. Give it a fw years, jagex'll get lazy and it'll be bug abusers.

We like to focus our energy on that which is the most apparent it seems.

Maybe the issue is more to do with the fact Jagex doesn't appear to be doing anything about it, rather than that 'it' actually being there?

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I would certainly turn my friends into the police if they'd killed someone maliciously and purposefully. But then again they never would either; i don't hang around with that crowd 8-)