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 Post subject: Downloading Music/films illegally? You could be cut off
PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 4:29 am 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm

So what now their going to stick their nose into what I'm doing online and police me for a service i pay for? Invasion of my dam privacy and this had better not get passed. As it says in the article, it's like the post office opening up my letters and it shouldn't be allowed.

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If it does get passed it'll be one step closer to an Orwellian world.

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PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 7:03 am 
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Orwellian world.

Explain please.

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 Post subject: Re: Downloading Music/films illegally? You could be cut off
PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 7:38 am 
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zvono wrote:
Brad wrote:
Orwellian world.

Explain please.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

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The adjective Orwellian refers to these behaviours of State and The Party, especially when the Party is the State:

* The political manipulation of language, by obfuscation, e.g. WAR IS PEACE. Using language to obfuscate meaning or to reduce and eliminate ideas and their meanings that are deemed dangerous to its authority.
* Invasion of personal privacy, either directly physically or indirectly by surveillance.
* State control of its citizens' daily life, as in a "Big Brother" society.
* Official encouragement of policies contributing to the socio-economic disintegration of the family.
* The substitution of traditional religion with the adoration of state leaders and their Party.
* The encouragement of "doublethink," whereby the population must learn to embrace inconsistent concepts without dissent, e.g. giving up liberty for freedom.
* The revision of history in the favour of the State's interpretation of it.
* A dystopian future.


Based around the book 1984.

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 Post subject: Re: Downloading Music/films illegally? You could be cut off
PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 9:24 am 
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F*ck them. It's just laws to keep a stupid, old, corrupt, greedy and unadapting music industry in business.

Yes, artists should get money for their music. But guess what - artists get a lot of money from gigs, the sale of merchandise.

Yes, the process of recording the music costs money, the process of getting it onto a CD and then distributing and advertising it costs money. But not that much.

In this world of digital downloads, however, how much does it really cost to get an album from one side of the earth to the other? Practically nothing. Even a CD-quality album, encoded in FLAC rather than MP3, costs a fraction of a penny to send across the globe. And they charge us £10 to download an album that isn't even a quarter of the average bitrate of FLAC.

Laws like this exist for one purpose. That is not to keep the artists going, it is to keep the record labels going. The greedy multinationals. The corporations who refuse to adapt to change.

Sharing is not wrong. Ripping people off is wrong. Exploiting artists is wrong.

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PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 10:20 am 
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F*ck them. It's just laws to keep a stupid, old, corrupt, greedy and unadapting music industry in business.

Yes, artists should get money for their music. But guess what - artists get a lot of money from gigs, the sale of merchandise.

Yes, the process of recording the music costs money, the process of getting it onto a CD and then distributing and advertising it costs money. But not that much.

In this world of digital downloads, however, how much does it really cost to get an album from one side of the earth to the other? Practically nothing. Even a CD-quality album, encoded in FLAC rather than MP3, costs a fraction of a penny to send across the globe. And they charge us £10 to download an album that isn't even a quarter of the average bitrate of FLAC.

Laws like this exist for one purpose. That is not to keep the artists going, it is to keep the record labels going. The greedy multinationals. The corporations who refuse to adapt to change.

Sharing is not wrong. Ripping people off is wrong. Exploiting artists is wrong.

Amen.

**** THE RIAA.

If they go down, no one will care.

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 Post subject: Re: Downloading Music/films illegally? You could be cut off
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It's never going to happen:

http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloa ... an-080212/

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The music industry has been using the whole "IT CHEATS ARTISTS OUT OF MONEY" BS for a long time. If you really want to help out an artist, go to their concert. The shares from the concert go directly to them, not some conglomerate industry that owns their songs and enslaves them to 2-6 year contracts.

What also is funny is that they say "Music and film companies say that the illegal downloads cost them millions of pounds in lost revenues". Really? That's interesting, because I don't know how they'd be able to calculate how much money they truly lose from illegal downloading.

The music industry will not be around for very long. Think about it. Artists are now able to make good quality music without the assistance of a label and they have means to distribute it online through iTunes and various stores. It's really the beginning of the death of the music industry here. All we can hope for is that the government doesn't decide that ISPs need to police the internet on the music industry's behalf.

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PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 2:37 pm 
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...If you really want to help out an artist, go to their concert. The shares from the concert go directly to them, not some conglomerate industry that owns their songs and enslaves them to 2-6 year contracts. ...

Or you could buy the merchandise they sell on their official websites (e.g. shirts, hats etc.)

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PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 2:45 pm 
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Mushroom Queen wrote:
...If you really want to help out an artist, go to their concert. The shares from the concert go directly to them, not some conglomerate industry that owns their songs and enslaves them to 2-6 year contracts. ...

Or you could buy the merchandise they sell on their official websites (e.g. shirts, hats etc.)

Exactly. And I know a lot of people enjoy buying merchandise from artists. It seems like the only artists who are going along with this stupid idea about "WE'RE LOSING MONEY!!" are the ones who are losing money because their music is starting to suck.

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PostPosted: February 12th, 2008, 3:16 pm 
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That's not all. To ensure maximum $$$ for themselves, the RIAA proposes a mandatory incorporation of spyware in anti-virus programs: http://gizmodo.com/353847/riaa-wants-yo ... ed-content

Wow, going a bit too far, eh?

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What also is funny is that they say "Music and film companies say that the illegal downloads cost them millions of pounds in lost revenues". Really? That's interesting, because I don't know how they'd be able to calculate how much money they truly lose from illegal downloading.

I find it especially interesting that they try to sue people for thousands of dollars per song yet the amount of money they would have received if someone had actually paid would be in the region of about 70 cents. Take Jammie Thomas - she was made to pay $9250 per song for 24 songs, for a total of $222,000. If she had actually paid, the record labels would have got $16.80. There's quite a difference there.

A lot of their revenue is lost in the paying of bloody lawyers.

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If we all paid for every song we listened to, then even the crap "so-called artists" will earn profits from our mistakes.

That profit would be enough to fund for a new album from that same crap "so-called artist", and the process repeats.

Wait, hasn't this happened before? Oh, right. Turn on that radio and hear that crap from "so-called artists". Since radio is mainstream media, every fool out there wants a CD of that crap song. Every fool buys them.


Compared to if we downloaded songs, we love them, we'd either

- Go to a gig to see them perform (PROFIT!)
- Buy original CDs for much better quality (PROFIT!)
- Buy merchandise like band shirts (PROFIT!)


So in short, we pay = we get more crap.


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PostPosted: February 15th, 2008, 1:14 am 
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This is a simple violation of a person's freedoms, rights, and liberties. Throughout history governments of countries have slowly gone from absolutist rulers and autocracies to a free country with individual rights for everyone, and representation. That is the best accomplishment of history in my opinion.

Now, governments are taking a step in the reverse. They are pulling measures that they use to intervene in our personal lives to destroy the liberties and freedoms our forefathers installed. The leaders today are trying to instill as much power to themselves as possible for their own greedy use.

For example, and this is in my own opinion, global warming. I do not believe global warming is mostly caused by humans. Maybe some, but I believe most of it is caused by natural processes of the earth. Yet the government is manipulating statistics into tricking us into believing that we are causing global warming, and they are using it to centralize their own power to control our lives.

But hey, what do I know? I am a 17 year old teenager who can't really back his opinion with scientific evidence and proof.


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PostPosted: February 15th, 2008, 4:23 pm 
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The joy of living in an unrecognized country is no one gives a crap about any of that. So I'm safe from this.
I don't think that it will ever be put into action, but hey, the government likes to screw people over.

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