legalization or marajuanna? thoughts?

imac · **Posted:** August 10th, 2009, 1:44 pm

assasin1999 wrote:

I'm loving all these pictures used to show that marijuana isn't as harmful as people think although i still don't endorse the taking of it

Why? Why don't you endorse the taking of it?

Adbot · **Posted:** August 10th, 2009, 1:44 pm

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** August 10th, 2009, 3:50 pm

assasin1999 wrote:

I'm loving all these pictures used to show that marijuana isn't as harmful as people think although i still don't endorse the taking of it

I dunno why. All those pictures there posting are only enforcing the fact that having it banned is the right choice. XD All there evidence shows it has bad effects on you.

Theirs no arguing it. The stuff is bad for you and should never be made legal. Ever.

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 10th, 2009, 4:54 pm

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

assasin1999 · **Posted:** August 10th, 2009, 11:52 pm

CreepyPirate wrote:

assasin1999 wrote:

I'm loving all these pictures used to show that marijuana isn't as harmful as people think although i still don't endorse the taking of it

I dunno why. All those pictures there posting are only enforcing the fact that having it banned is the right choice. XD All there evidence shows it has bad effects on you.

Theirs no arguing it. The stuff is bad for you and should never be made legal. Ever.

that's why it's because it shows how bad it is and i hate the idea of taking any drug that you don't need

Brad · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 12:05 am

King Kulla wrote:

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

I'm pretty sure, insert arbitrary activity here, is worse for you than not doing, arbitrary activity, so ergo you shouldn't do it.

If you want to weigh things up on that basis there isn't much you'd do because a lot of things are more harmful to us than not doing them at all. It's like logic for the insane. An argument like that is about as watertight as the Titanic after it smashed into an iceberg.

The whole argument a lot of you are making 'it's bad for you ergo it should be illegal', is just so short sighted it misses tobbaco and alcohol, both these things are bad for people and they're still legal. I'm not arguing that Pot is some super drug, hell I'd never do it, but if you think Pot should be illegal because it's potentially harmful to humans then you must support banning tobbaco and alcohol as well, or else your argument just has a massive logical fallacy blasted through it.

Just looking for some consistency from your side of the argument, people.

King Kulla · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 12:33 am

Brad wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

I'm pretty sure, insert arbitrary activity here, is worse for you than not doing, arbitrary activity, so ergo you shouldn't do it.

Existing is more harmful to your health than not existing, so why exist? :-s

I wasn't making an argument as to why it shouldn't be legalized, that was a response to those saying "it's not that bad for you". :wink:

Adbot · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 12:33 am

assasin1999 · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 12:59 am

Brad wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

I'm pretty sure, insert arbitrary activity here, is worse for you than not doing, arbitrary activity, so ergo you shouldn't do it.

If you want to weigh things up on that basis there isn't much you'd do because a lot of things are more harmful to us than not doing them at all. It's like logic for the insane. An argument like that is about as watertight as the Titanic after it smashed into an iceberg.

The whole argument a lot of you are making 'it's bad for you ergo it should be illegal', is just so short sighted it misses tobbaco and alcohol, both these things are bad for people and they're still legal. I'm not arguing that Pot is some super drug, hell I'd never do it, but if you think Pot should be illegal because it's potentially harmful to humans then you must support banning tobbaco and alcohol as well, or else your argument just has a massive logical fallacy blasted through it.

Just looking for some consistency from your side of the argument, people.

I've never said tobacco or alchohol should be legal, i tolerate alchohol more than tobacco for special occasions at even though i don't like any alchohol that i've tried. i don't support tobacco and my parents smoke and i hate it

Brad · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 3:20 am

King Kulla wrote:

Brad wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

I'm pretty sure, insert arbitrary activity here, is worse for you than not doing, arbitrary activity, so ergo you shouldn't do it.

Existing is more harmful to your health than not existing, so why exist? :-s

I wasn't making an argument as to why it shouldn't be legalized, that was a response to those saying "it's not that bad for you". :wink:

My apologies, although I guess I adressed their argument indirectly through you. Heh.

Slimppu · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 4:59 am

Brad wrote:

I'm pretty sure, insert arbitrary activity here, is worse for you than not doing, arbitrary activity, so ergo you shouldn't do it.

If you want to weigh things up on that basis there isn't much you'd do because a lot of things are more harmful to us than not doing them at all. It's like logic for the insane. An argument like that is about as watertight as the Titanic after it smashed into an iceberg.

The whole argument a lot of you are making 'it's bad for you ergo it should be illegal', is just so short sighted it misses tobbaco and alcohol, both these things are bad for people and they're still legal. I'm not arguing that Pot is some super drug, hell I'd never do it, but if you think Pot should be illegal because it's potentially harmful to humans then you must support banning tobbaco and alcohol as well, or else your argument just has a massive logical fallacy blasted through it.

Just looking for some consistency from your side of the argument, people.

You appear to think that the argument is about banning everything that's harmful to humans without thinking of further consequences. If tobacco and alcohol were banned, then the world would go into chaos. While we do know the dangers of pot, and even though it is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, there's no reason for it to be legalized. Nobody should do tobacco or alcohol either like you implied with your theory, but unfortunately it was a mistake for the governments' part to legalize them and there's nothing we can do about it now.

Chief Snake · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 5:13 am

Slimppu wrote:

You appear to think that the argument is about banning everything that's harmful to humans without thinking of further consequences. If tobacco and alcohol were banned, then the world would go into chaos. While we do know the dangers of pot, and even though it is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, there's no reason for it to be legalized. Nobody should do tobacco or alcohol either like you implied with your theory, but unfortunately it was a mistake for the governments' part to legalize them and there's nothing we can do about it now.

Exactly. The sad truth.

For this reason it is irrelevant and ignorant to use the argument that marijuana should be legalised just because it's no worse for you than alcohol or tobacco.

Brad · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 5:31 am

You're flipping my point the wrong way, I'm not saying Marijuana should be legalized because its no worse than alcohol or tobacco, I'm saying; if you're against marijuana because its bad for you then why are you ok with Alcohol and Tobbaco? or are you in favour of total prohibition? Just saying 'oh no it's done now' is *******.

It shouldn't be any sensible persons viewpoint that 'Alcohol and Tobbaco shouldn't have been legalized but they are now.. oh well'. You should either be actively against or for it, and I think the legalization of both of these two should set a precedent that needs to be followed through or completely abolished. Not just left to linger in this kind of no-mans land.

Less fence sitting, please.

Chief Snake · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 5:37 am

I'm not okay with alcohol or tobacco, but the fact is that nothing practical can be done about it at this stage. Your idea is good in theory but in practice it's just opening up a can of worms.

As far as marijuana goes (which incidentally is what we are discussing here), I'm fairly actively against it.

Slimppu · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 5:52 am

Brad wrote:

You're flipping my point the wrong way, I'm not saying Marijuana should be legalized because its no worse than alcohol or tobacco, I'm saying; if you're against marijuana because its bad for you then why are you ok with Alcohol and Tobbaco? or are you in favour of total prohibition? Just saying 'oh no it's done now' is *******.

It shouldn't be any sensible persons viewpoint that 'Alcohol and Tobbaco shouldn't have been legalized but they are now.. oh well'. You should either be actively against or for it, and I think the legalization of both of these two should set a precedent that needs to be followed through or completely abolished. Not just left to linger in this kind of no-mans land.

Less fence sitting, please.

As I understood it, your point was that the whole argument over "marijuana is bad, thus it should be illegal" should also mean that tobacco and alcohol should be illegal as well. My point was countering your point, explaining why tobacco and alcohol shouldn't be made illegal while the argument over the illegality of marijuana still stands.

There is no point to go actively against tobacco or alcohol because it won't ever have an effect on anything.

Aquw VettelS 776 · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 1:24 pm

No, it should remain illegal. I think we can all agree that legalising it would encourage other people to use it, which as far as I'm concerned can only be bad. Whilst it may not increase crime (debatable), it is sure to increase stress on the health system.

Brad wrote:

King Kulla wrote:

I'm pretty sure smoking marijuana for recreational uses is worse for your health than not smoking marijuana is.

If you want to weigh things up on that basis there isn't much you'd do because a lot of things are more harmful to us than not doing them at all. It's like logic for the insane. An argument like that is about as watertight as the Titanic after it smashed into an iceberg.

The whole argument a lot of you are making 'it's bad for you ergo it should be illegal', is just so short sighted it misses tobbaco and alcohol, both these things are bad for people and they're still legal. I'm not arguing that Pot is some super drug, hell I'd never do it, but if you think Pot should be illegal because it's potentially harmful to humans then you must support banning tobbaco and alcohol as well, or else your argument just has a massive logical fallacy blasted through it.

Most people agree that the negatives of using marijuana outweigh the benefits, in the same way as the negatives of drinking alcohol (let alone in excessive amounts) outweigh the benefits. The critical difference here is that the majority of people only drink alcohol in small and controlled- thereby the negative effects go virtually undetected. However, the negative effects of marijuana are far more noticeable and have a much greater affect on the person.

Touching on tobacco quickly... I think tobacco is comparable to marijuana- that is the negative effects can have extreme consequences- therefore the logical step to me is to ban tobacco smoking.

The notion that anything bad for you must be banned is, I agree, totally wrong. Afterall, whilst alcohol may have negative long-term effects, many people feel the benefits of desirable short-term effects. It is only when negative effects bar outweigh the benefits that action should be taken- as is the case with tobacco and alcohol.

ryan1 · **Posted:** August 11th, 2009, 4:22 pm

It should be legal. The government shouldn't be able to tell anyone what they can or cannot do to themselves. For the record, I've never done it myself. I'm just saying it's an issue of personal freedom for the people who want to do it.