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 Post subject: Re: Osama is Dead(?)
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2011, 12:01 pm 
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BTW, regarding tradition: How many times have they told us that they buried our soldiers nice and peacefully like we do in our cemeteries? How many times have we found out, perhaps months or years later, that our soldiers were brutally tortured and then burnt(alive)/decapitated/dismembered(alive)/other form of cruel death?


What if America is doing just that ... saying they did the burial thing but didn't? LOL


idc that he's dead though. Doesn't change much


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To me it seems as if everyone from America is very excited. I however, do not feel comfortable celebrating someone's death. It is wrong. Just because he killed thousands others and issued commands evil in our eyes does not give us the right to have a party be completely rude. I am choosing to have no opinion on the fact he is dead. No matter what some other radical Muslim will step up and take Osama's place... Thus creating another game of hide and seek America vs. Terrorism style. Either way, it's a win for America and does boost our morale but we should not be celebrating someone's death no matter how evil.

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To me it seems as if everyone from America is very excited. I however, do not feel comfortable celebrating someone's death. It is wrong. Just because he killed thousands others and issued commands evil in our eyes does not give us the right to have a party be completely rude. I am choosing to have no opinion on the fact he is dead. No matter what some other radical Muslim will step up and take Osama's place... Thus creating another game of hide and seek America vs. Terrorism style. Either way, it's a win for America and does boost our morale but we should not be celebrating someone's death no matter how evil.


I did find that rather..depressing when i saw it on the news. There was hundreds if not thousands standing outside the white house cheering.

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Shane, I'm with Duke he still has plenty of time to screw more stuff. anyway heres my two cents. My problem with it ,is his compound was yards away from a Pakistan military base. Were giving Pakistan BILLIONS to pretty much "allow: Osama bin Laden to live that close for 5 years when supposedly that money is for their military? I mean what it seems like to me is their fine with him, and thats a problem.

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PostPosted: May 2nd, 2011, 4:29 pm 
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well they do always say the best place to hide is in plain sight.

we did all expect him to be in a cave

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PostPosted: May 2nd, 2011, 4:31 pm 
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I don't think they'd make of hoax of something this large. Glad that ******** Osama is dead.

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That pretty much seals that it was a hoax.

I don't care what religion or tradition you're trying to 'respect'. You would NEVER get rid of the corpse of someone like him without doing long, thorough, examinations by multiple country's people.

If this isn't a hoax and Obama did actually just let our military dump Osama's corpse in the ocean than Obama is worse than I thought. I mean dumber, and worse.

Ofcourse if our Military Generals were as smart as they're supposed to be then we'll show that we dumped his corpse for the popularity of it (ie, to keep some people happy) and then send SEALs in to retrieve it, unbeknown to the public. That way we, and our closest allies, can finish investigating it.

And for those who think that would be inhumane/'wrong', remember this: He murdered 3,000 Americans alone, not counting the countless US and Allied troops that have died due to him starting war with us nor the countless innocent civilians on both sides.

Oh, and a movie about him. That's real smart...give more popularity to the terrorists. Has anyone thought that (if this actually is his corpse) perhaps Al Quieda purposely let him get killed so that we might get clumsy? It might've been getting too hard to hide him so his second-in-commands were like, "Heck, we don't need him. Yea, he did great starting us but now he's costing too much to hide. Let's dump him, let the Americans get all happy and clumsy, and then BAMMO. We hit."

BTW, regarding tradition: How many times have they told us that they buried our soldiers nice and peacefully like we do in our cemeteries? How many times have we found out, perhaps months or years later, that our soldiers were brutally tortured and then burnt(alive)/decapitated/dismembered(alive)/other form of cruel death?


Look at this way, what would you do if your leader of your respected faith/political group was plastered everywhere, made to look like girl and desecrated? You'd be up in arms. From my point of view, the government is trying to be respectful (while still dumping his body) as to not upset the Islamic community.

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Look at this way, what would you do if your leader of your respected faith/political group was plastered everywhere, made to look like girl and desecrated? You'd be up in arms. From my point of view, the government is trying to be respectful (while still dumping his body) as to not upset the Islamic community.


Al Qaeda isn't exactly a "respected faith/political group" though. It's widely denounced as a terrorist group, as well as for inciting violence among different religious sects of Islam.

Also, for it being "respectful to not upset the Islamic community": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Saddam_Hussein

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While it might not change too much on the ground that he's dead, there's no way that al-Qaeda can come up with someone who has the same charisma that Osama had. From what I've heard, Osama was able to keep rival groups on his side by letting them get in on the action every once in a while. While it might not mean it's the end of terrorism, but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing happening at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Osama the whole reason we went into Afghanistan? If so, then we should get out now and avoid getting our asses handed to us by changing objectives midway through.

As for it being a conspiracy, I doubt our government is that good at keeping secrets.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Osama the whole reason we went into Afghanistan? If so, then we should get out now and avoid getting our asses handed to us by changing objectives midway through.


I believe the whole reason we went into Afghanistan was to drive out the Taliban... who are still there. It's great that Osama is dead, but he's not the only leader. In reality, he's been mainly in isolation for the last few years, only having his courrier to (supposedly) send messages to al-Qaeda. They probably have a non-public leader that's been calling all the shots for the last five years, but we're just going to have to wait it out and see. It does seem like we're going to get **** by the terrorists for taking him out though.

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It does seem like we're going to get **** by the terrorists for taking him out though.

In the short term probably, but I think that al-Qaeda will fade into the background after this. As for the war in Afghanistan, it's the new Vietnam. There's a reason they call it the Graveyard of Empires.

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Look at this way, what would you do if your leader of your respected faith/political group was plastered everywhere, made to look like girl and desecrated? You'd be up in arms. From my point of view, the government is trying to be respectful (while still dumping his body) as to not upset the Islamic community.


Al Qaeda isn't exactly a "respected faith/political group" though. It's widely denounced as a terrorist group, as well as for inciting violence among different religious sects of Islam.

Also, for it being "respectful to not upset the Islamic community": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Saddam_Hussein


A terrorist group can also be seen as an extreme faith/political group. It's also the fact that, "Huh, maybe the Americans aren't so bad." Trying to show respect for your enemy is one way to get them to stop fighting you.

And wasn't that execution mainly handled by the Iraqi government? I'm sure we had something to do with it, but I'm fairly sure we captured him and just gave him to the Iraqi.

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And wasn't that execution mainly handled by the Iraqi government? I'm sure we had something to do with it, but I'm fairly sure we captured him and just gave him to the Iraqi.

Wikipedia says that you are correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Incarceration_and_trial

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To me it seems as if everyone from America is very excited. I however, do not feel comfortable celebrating someone's death. It is wrong. Just because he killed thousands others and issued commands evil in our eyes does not give us the right to have a party be completely rude. I am choosing to have no opinion on the fact he is dead. No matter what some other radical Muslim will step up and take Osama's place... Thus creating another game of hide and seek America vs. Terrorism style. Either way, it's a win for America and does boost our morale but we should not be celebrating someone's death no matter how evil.


I did find that rather..depressing when i saw it on the news. There was hundreds if not thousands standing outside the white house cheering.



Im really with creepy on this one.. I hate what bin laden did with 9/11 but two wrongs dont make a right.

Who are we to say who should live and die? Only god should have that power tbh :P

This video really makes me mad too -.- Grandpa is a christian and yet he celebrates binladens death as if he was celebrating a birthday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFY_SwDaz08&feature=feedu

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Who are we to say who should live and die? Only god should have that power tbh :P

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This video really makes me mad too -.- Grandpa is a christian and yet he celebrates binladens death as if he was celebrating a birthday

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”, eh?

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 Post subject: Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead
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The idea with us being respectful with the burial is that as a nation we hold ourselves to a higher moral standard. We could torture detainees (not talking about waterboarding, although look at the scandal that caused) or bomb indiscriminately, but we don't. If we were to drag his body through the streets we would be no better than the people we are fighting. That's what ultimately sets us apart from the Taliban and the other groups - we care about human rights (or at least we have to pretend to care, because everyone in our country will whine about it wololo).

I agree with whoever said this is pretty much just a morale booster. It's more symbolic than anything at this point.

Honestly I thought he would die of natural disease before we ever captured him, with his noted health problems and all.

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