USA or Russian federation

Gontcha · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 7:14 am

okay i was thinkin who is the best in fighting forces, imagine:

1.Bush gets drunk and declares war to Russia
2.Putin get sniped and some kid declares war to US

who would pwn if bush attacks Russia, or Russia attack US

Russia:
+, better trained soldiers with high tolerance (i know that for sure i lived 10years in ucraine, if you would see in wich condition they live...), Bigger army size, MIG29-fighters, AK-spetsnaz, NUKES!!!
-, Older hardwarez, not soo much $$

USA:
+, Nightvisiongoogles, new hardware and aircraft carriers, $$
-, not too big army, most soldiers not traind in extreme weather

Ok, if they would fight in the winter, somewhere cold, russia would pwn, if they would fight some where near the sea US pwnz with bobmers and rockets, if they fight in the sky, Russia pwnz with MIG29, witch can go almost in to space (32km), there are many posibilities

plz vote,

Adbot · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 7:14 am

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 7:23 am

This will ether:

A) turn into a huge flame war

or

B) America wins flat out because there are no russians.

Personaly..depends..if the reasons for war was "bush got drunk and decided to blow up a country" he sure as hell wouldn't get Englands backing in fact we would more then likely help russia (we tend to stick are noses in..) in which case meh..America gets owned..not to meantion the rest of europe wont be to happy so we could have there help.

If it was for a more normal reason..and America had good reasons to go there..they might get English backing...and not to sound to big headed but..who's stood in are way so far? Pretty much think russia would lose if America had other countrys backing them.

One on one? Meh. Russia. I don't think much of the u.s army.

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czskrazzi · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 8:08 am

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Russia for many years has been selling off its Nukes, at one point they had the most Nuclear ***** in the world.. But their economy was going down and they also had to pay war debts and such.. They have been selling off their nukes for a long time..

Unfortunately, the U.S. has the largest Nuclear *****.. America also has chemical and biological weapons.. Suprisingy? well, im not sure what they are doing with them currently. It was ordered that they were to be destroyed.. They have about 10 of these facilities if not more in the U.S. where they burn and incinerate the chemical weapons.. After they have been burnt, somehow its turned into pure oxygen, the plants then pump out pure oxygen into the atmosphere.

Now, about this whole war situation, as it is, Bush is trying to get out of the United Nations (VERY STUPID IDEA).. Because he doesnt want to pay money to the U.N. cuz he wants to pay all money to the war in iraq and such..

Russia vs America.. If it ever happens, it will be a very hard decision, the U.S. Military currently hold over 2million foot soliders. Thats anyone in the military that runs around with a gun, or a rocket launcher etc.. U.S. also is owner of a very largest tank army, aircraft, navy + more.. Marines, Navy Seals are trained the hardest, and a fact that their training is the most hardest, extreme training on the planet..

Both countries could easily win in the end. Russia would never come and fight on U.S. soil. If they did, it would not be a smart idea.. I know not much else about russian army, airforce, nazy etc. Its a hard decision. Personally i hope they never go to war.

Athelus · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 8:33 am

gontcha wrote:

Russia:
+, better trained soldiers

thats a laugh- anyways you know who i have to vote for (p.s. china could destroy anyone!)

CreepyPirate · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 10:10 am

China..naw...maybe in 20 odd years.....just having sheer numbers wont win nothing.

Robbie · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 11:08 am

Athelus wrote:

gontcha wrote:

[color=yellow]Russia:
+, better trained soldiers
color]

thats a laugh- anyways you know who i have to vote for (p.s. china could destroy anyone!)

um, i doubt that. 1 nuke can destroy most of china's army.

Adbot · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 11:08 am

Athelus · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 12:21 pm

(america got annoyed recentley because europe was selling advanced weaponry to china)- and they probably have nukes too, and south korea do- they owe china a favour remember!

Rocket2004 · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 12:41 pm

ok....

Since I'm a Communist.. I'd Say AMerica wins

IF neither doesn't use nukes then it's a good war

I'd Say America wins

My strategy

Ally with China, in order to do that.. Disally with Taiwan, and Help China conquer it back. Then CHina Might Start Helping.. and also send in advanced weaponary to China

If usa succesfully allied with China, then basically we win.. cause set up a base in northeast China

ANd also set up a base in NorthWest

Then.. We send in Aircrafts from Japan to take their nation border

And then, push the marines from Northwest china till Moscow

THen Use the Ally forces from France England whatever.. coming from west Russia

THen Russia is basically screwed.

Also sending in troops on top of russia then take that major CIty which is close to the sea helps building further forces landing

Athelus · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 1:03 pm

trust me europe would not ally with america against russia

but china and russia are historical enemies so they might do that.

the russians rule anyway lol, they have a goverment where all the major ministers are "ex" KGB including Putin, and their army is the only supply of valves for valve amps- which is good because valve amps produce a better "warmer" sound in my opinion. i will shut up now.

Rocket2004 · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 1:23 pm

Athelus wrote:

trust me europe would not ally with america against russia

but china and russia are historical enemies so they might do that.

the russians rule anyway lol, they have a goverment where all the major ministers are "ex" KGB including Putin, and their army is the only supply of valves for valve amps- which is good because valve amps produce a better "warmer" sound in my opinion. i will shut up now.

Yo.. I'm chinese here.. you think i dunno my own nationhistory?

China is now friends with Russia... not allies..

IF AMERICA FIGHTS WITH RUSSIA

that means world is gonna end!! WOULD YOU WANNA SIT THERE AND WATCH?

OR WOULD YOU WANNA HELP YOUR LONG TRUSTED teammates?

Athelus · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 2:57 pm

personnally, im heading to mongolia the amazon or australia- hope you understand. either that or i stay and help france either or.

trekkie · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 2:58 pm

americ. we have nukes too remember

Athelus · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 3:03 pm

only because in the joint Russian- american nuclear disarmament only russia disarmed.... look this was a bad idea you DO NOT want to hear my views on america, i have quite a reputation. im sure een my music tastes would send some people into apoplepsy

on a lighter note left wing socialism shall prevail! :twisted:

trekkie · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 3:32 pm

but they are not a communist society remember

also,
1. america has a lot od stealth tech so if possible massive bombs over russia
2. we are starting to have robots to replace some of the soldiers so won't matter too much
3. would be a very bloody battle if we did go to war

Gontcha · **Posted:** July 16th, 2005, 3:51 pm

my strategy:

Get to the artic zone and lock the long range missiles to the powerplants Or even better neutron bombs (kill everything organic). We saw what a power failure did to new york (not sure) couple years ago, so the ppl would nagg the gov to stop. Then move to Alaska with tanks and other ppl and invade amerika. because bush was so smart to invade iraq, the UN would maybe join forces with russia, providing an tresspassing to america from europe. get the MIG fighter to bomb major cities from 32km altitude, no rocket could reach that hight (exept spacerockets)

Or there is a simple way to end this, send few containers to New york, Washington DC, San-fransisco, new jersea etc.. with couple of nukes in them or even better hydrogen bomb (10.000.000°C when set off) problem solved, but in mine opinion war between Russia and USA would mean total destructian of mother earth.

And Russian hardwares are quite old but trustful, one EMP wave and all high-tech american stuff would be large blok of hot plastic,and russian tanks can also operate at -70°C.

Anyways, let's hope it'll be peacful b'tween them