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PostPosted: November 12th, 2007, 1:14 pm 
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I am not a person who makes orders and expects others to follow them. If applicable, I follow my own advice, and it is often through giving advice to others that I change how I think about something. If you don't know what I'm talking about, disregard this paragraph completely, it's time for business.

Religion.

The scourge of humankind. One of the principal reasons we war against other nations, kill people for no other reason, or even risk our own lives because of some 'divine plan'. In the words of Christopher Hitchens, author of God is not Great, 'Religion poisons everything', and this is certainly true for so many atrocities in the modern world.

I will not take the obvious example of 9/11, for that is an overused one; nor will I take the crusades, since that is not exactly a modern atrocity, although was nevertheless perpetrated solely on the grounds of religion. I will take some other examples I am sure you are familiar with, but still do demonstrate how terrible religion is to humanity.

Firstly, there is an issue involving certain cartoons. You may already know about this event, but let me explain a little nonetheless. A Danish newspaper publishes a cartoon involving the prophet Mohammed. In it, a bearded asian man is wearing a turban on his head, which has a fuse protruding from the top of it, just like the fuses you see protruding from those black spherical bombs in Looney Toons cartoons. Of course, hell ensues. A Danish embassy is burnt to the ground. Muslims in their thousands protest against just this one small cartoon, marching through London with slogans like 'Behead those who offend Islam' and burning Danish flags. Over a cartoon. A cartoon intended as nothing more than a joke, and they burn down buildings.

The next issue is another involving Islam, although it is certainly not my intention to ruin the reputation of just that particular religion. This involves a certain reading from the Pope. He was giving a lecture in Rome, in which he quoted some texts from the crusades. These particular texts cited Islam as a religion of violence, and even though the pope gave an official apology for the incident, churches were burnt, a nun was killed, and there were yet more riots on the streets of various cities.

Lastly, a smaller one, involving a certain religious group called the Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not believe in blood transfusions. A bit of a strange thing to not believe in, I will agree, and you may not think this is such a serious issue, but it does cost peoples' lives every single year. People die because they do not take blood at hospital during important operations. It isn't just Jehovah's Witnesses, so many people also believe that if they become ill then it is part of God's divine plan if they die it is because God wanted for them to die. Religion for these people is clearly a serious threat to their health, if not their lives.

And why do people do these things? Because of Religion. Because of beliefs and because they think it is part of a plan of some being who happens to be omnipotent and omniscient (which is, in fact, a contradiction). Because people believe if they follow some clear path of how to live they will be given entrance to some kingdom of heaven during the afterlife.

    'We have names for people who have many beliefs for which there is no rational justification. When their beliefs are extremely common, we call them 'religious'; otherwise, they are likely to be called 'mad', 'psychotic' or 'delusional' ... Clearly there is sanity in numbers. And yes, it is merely an accident of history that it is considered normal in our society to believe that the Creator of the universe can hear your thoughts, when it is demonstrative of mental illness to believe that he is communicating with you by having the rain tap in Morse code on your bedroom window. And so, while religious people are not generally mad, their core beliefs absolutely are.'


Throughout the years, scientific study and reasoning has disproved so many things that were previously assumed to be true by otherwise ignorant society. The big bang, evolution, all of these things - the idea of creationism is considered by many people to be just a complete fallacy. But anything that has contradicted religion has been met with uproar. Even something as simple as the heliocentric model of the solar system got the great astronomer Copernicus put under house arrest. Galileo and Newton as well, they were prevented from presenting their theories because they might possibly have disagreed with religion. The fact faith is expressed as a virtue in the eyes of the church goes even further to show that religion is attempting to crush anything that might come in its way. Perhaps it feels threatened and insecure.

Religion poisons everything.

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Personally; I am not religious, never have been, and most likely never will be. But if people want to be religious, fine, I really don't care. Unless people's religion is bordering on zealotry, it will not make me think any less of them.

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i went to a church school when i was little (primary school) because my mum n dad wanted me to be religious. but it didnt turn out like they wanted it to. im not religious in the slightest.
im ok with religious people, but the people who go to extents and get offended over the slightest little thing really do **** me off. an example of this is osmone on wow earlier who saw a player named jesus, and took offence to it adnd had a long rant in the trade chat in cities, which was pathetic.

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All I have to say is I don't care. I could really care less if there is some divine being or not. I don't go advocating anything like you atheists or religious advocates. I do question why you are so persistent with it. Just let people live the way they want, that is all I say.


Oh, and you seem to have your historical facts off. Copernicus was never put under house arrest by the church. Galileo, however, was.


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Ohh, religion.

Frankly, if people don't let it into every word in a conversation, then I don't care and I don't think that most people do. But I can see how religion might bother people..I mean really bother them like the Jews bothered Hitler..sort of like a thorn in the side. I think that people like this need some sort of trauma counselling or something because something negative must've happened in their lives to cause them to think the way that they do. Either that or they're awfully too young to understand the world yet.

Anyway, I think that when religion becomes too involved in law, we start to see unjust actions take place. As long as religion and government are kept in check, then things are lot fairer (albeit not entirely fair).

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I'm not a religious person...my parents never made me go to church or anything. I also was never baptised which people say is a bad thing but I really don't care...I'm not Atheist but I don't believe in everything. I believe in some stuff to an extent. But saying I completely believe in anything really is pushing my religious beliefs...

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I'm a Christian.

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True. I do agree with what Richard Dawkin said though: telling someone to be an atheist is just as bad as telling someone to be a Christian. People need to use their logic and reasoning, and that is all.

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I believe in God, but what I don't believe in is the 'belief systems' built around him. I go to a Catholic school, and I have for many years. I must say I'm starting to dislike many of the beliefs of our faith. Most of the stuff they try to teach us was just made up a long time ago by some old guys with way too much time on their hands.

I still believe strongly in God, but I agree with you that religions cause many problems. Although people would just find some other reason to kill each other anyway. :roll:

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oh and something i disagree with is when schools try to hammer the "right" religion into childrens minds and dont give them a chance to think for themselves, our re lessons tried doing that even when we were 16, so i just filled in sheets and stuff to make it sound funny instead of doing it properly, coz i just couldnt be ***** with being MADE to do a short course in re which tried to hammer it into our heads that christianity is the right thing to be in life and theres no other way or you deserve to die sorta thing.
so basically throughout 2 years of gcse re i just ***** about and got an e.

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Oh, the bloody irony. When Islam is said to be a violent religion, they get ***** off and prove people how violent they really are, when they go as far as killing people.

In the end, these religious groups do come up with their own vision of religion. There are Jehovah's Witnesses, who do not believe in blood tranfusions. I believe that nowhere in the bible have been mentioned that God does not want that to be done. Instead of that, they make their own speculations and believe that "God wants us to do this". Then there's Islam. All they do is spread violence among those who are against their violence, which is weird though, because i have gotten the vision that the last thing God wants is violence.

And then they go against other religions. I mean they go and kill nuns just because someone claimed their religion violent. WHAT THE HECK? Their beliefs are mainly the same, after all! They believe in same God! Why on earth would they go against those who have same beliefs?

Religion does not bring peace on this planet. It just brings war and misery.

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All they do is spread violence among those who are against their violence, which is weird though, because i have gotten the vision that the last thing God wants is violence.


That is something that through history Christians and Muslims completely ignored. :wink:


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