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Macroers have become worse.

JaGex needs to probably get more staff and IP ban macroers as soon as the report is received.

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The should immediately ban anyone that is reported for macroing, and if the person pleas freedom, then they will un-ban them...

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A few other players and I came up with a temporary solution and will actually cut down on the number of autoers.

Around every place (mines, forests, fishing spot) have npc's that are at least level 8 (this will not make some real players happy, but alas, alas) and make them able to poison their victims.

Most people that flood the game with autoers will not be willing to spend the time (as this means money to them) leveling up their autoers to the appropriate levels to not be attacked.

But.......JAGEX really needs to figure out a better way to detect them.
The ultimate deterent will be to raise the cost of membership.

F2P is a lost cause IMHO.


Read my note above it states some solutions.

Also, some people actually have a macro running their character, but they just surf the internet and check back every five minutes or whatever. So he could have seen Bob the Cat, turned off the macro, done the random, and then turned back on the macro.


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Ya, autoing is horrible. Sometimes I just want to quit because of it. It is so rediculous. During the day on weekdays there are about 4 actual people fishing at the fishing guild and about 20 autoers...

I even have a (former)close friend who is now autoing. I sent a message to Jagex awhile ago about him. Nothing has happened to him.

Jagex is not enforcing their rule strongly enough. Anyone who is even suspicious looking like an autoer (ie: lvl 3-15 fishing sharks. cutting magics, etc... Especially the standard look on a lvl 3 with the name "sklfhk14") How much more obvious can it get?

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Ya, autoing is horrible. Sometimes I just want to quit because of it. It is so rediculous. During the day on weekdays there are about 4 actual people fishing at the fishing guild and about 20 autoers...

I even have a (former)close friend who is now autoing. I sent a message to Jagex awhile ago about him. Nothing has happened to him.

Jagex is not enforcing their rule strongly enough. Anyone who is even suspicious looking like an autoer (ie: lvl 3-15 fishing sharks. cutting magics, etc... Especially the standard look on a lvl 3 with the name "sklfhk14") How much more obvious can it get?


Jagex could run a reverse macroing program. This would be a really good idea. What it does is it marks potential macroers and puts them into groups. Say the reqs are lvl 3-15 combat with one skill that is 50 lvls above the rest. Then the Jagex program marks the movements of the character. The program then looks for similiarities. If the person is truly playing, then their movements will be random, say maybe they will move 5 seconds after finishing a yew or 2 seconds or ten secons. An automated program will follow a set time, exactly three seconds after a yew is cut down, it will move. The program could be more complex and observe longer iterations in the characters movements. That is the key. The program will have to reset eventually even if it is set to run say 10 cycles, the 11th cycle will be exactly like the first. Once the program Jagex wrote observes this it instantly logs the character, and deletes the account. It has a 99.99999(this goes a long way if it is set up write)9999999% chance of being right (in fact in math we respresent it with an infinate series and say the limit is a value, which would be 100%). Of course some autoers would spend the time making a program that would have 1000 random clicks before repeating...but it would take them forever to create and most people would be too lazy and go on to something else.

There are so many things Jagex could do to stop macroing...but it is just to lucrative for them...sad.


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Yes, macroers are a shame, now they can deal with about every single random. Their is a good reason that Jagex doesn't ban a lot of them though. Think about all the macroers their are, now think of all the materials they produce (fish, logs, essence). Now, if Jagex banned all of them, think of how greatly the supply of all those materials would go down. That means, since their are a lot less producers the price of all those materials will go up. Then, members will be frustrated with the high prices that they will cancel their membership and F2Pers will stop becoming members. So, don't be mad at Jagex, they are just trying to run a business by banning some but not all of the macroers. I'm pretty sure the #1 reason for quitting isn't because of macroers and Jagex knows that.

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I get the funny feeling that those aren't even macroers.
I mean you know how poor everybody is in China and they work for the minimum wage for those big corporations, I have a feeling that those are little kids trying to feed their family.... :(

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@Meese

Macroers don't rely on patterns any more, they all run optically via the minimap, ingame enviroment and character recognition.

@Krusk

That's *******, no one would quit just because the price of raw materials goes up.

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Cowboyofdeath wrote:
The should immediately ban anyone that is reported for macroing, and if the person pleas freedom, then they will un-ban them...


Thats a stupid idea...No offence but people would just report someone for macroing for no reason at all.

Just to annoy the hell out of them.

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The should immediately ban anyone that is reported for macroing, and if the person pleas freedom, then they will un-ban them...


Thats a stupid idea...No offence but people would just report someone for macroing for no reason at all.

Just to annoy the hell out of them.


There's some stupid morons at F2P Draynor Willows, I have my skiller there (Level 3 combat) and I chat to people and they always say "Macroer! Report Cooker Zaros for macroing!"

It annoys the hell out of me :?

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Kruskman wrote:
Yes, macroers are a shame, now they can deal with about every single random. Their is a good reason that Jagex doesn't ban a lot of them though. Think about all the macroers their are, now think of all the materials they produce (fish, logs, essence). Now, if Jagex banned all of them, think of how greatly the supply of all those materials would go down. That means, since their are a lot less producers the price of all those materials will go up. Then, members will be frustrated with the high prices that they will cancel their membership and F2Pers will stop becoming members. So, don't be mad at Jagex, they are just trying to run a business by banning some but not all of the macroers. I'm pretty sure the #1 reason for quitting isn't because of macroers and Jagex knows that.


What about the legit players who collect those same materials for their money? The prices of all raw materials continue to drop becasue of autoers, and the common fisher/miner/woodcutter suffers. For example, I no longer fish sharks because raw sharks are only 700 each now thanks to autoers.
Not a single person would quit because of this. Except autoers of course, but that is the point. It would fix the game for people who play right.

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And just because someone hasn't worked on their combat skills means nothing.

I have a friend who is lvl 6 but has most non combat skills above 50. So just because someone is below lvl 20 doesn't mean anyhting except that they haven't trained their combat skills.


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And just because someone hasn't worked on their combat skills means nothing.

I have a friend who is lvl 6 but has most non combat skills above 50. So just because someone is below lvl 20 doesn't mean anyhting except that they haven't trained their combat skills.


Take me for example. I'm a level 3 skiller and I get accused of being an autoer. Of course my username is 9073461425 so it looks pretty suspicious, but I don't dress as a normal autoer (Bald, tan shirt, green pants). I wear things I get from my skills.

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that what i am talking about. Some people are sayin everone under lvl 20 sould be banned for being low combat but having a high lvl skill.


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It's time people start to learn that merchanting is in fact better than skilling for money.

And yeah, they run by scripts that 'detect the surroundings' instead of clicking patterns.


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