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Acctually there is a God, and if you look close enough at the signs, youll see hes real. Name 1 prophecy in the bible that hasent come true yet. youll find only 1, and that 1 is of the end times. Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Why would they attack christians unless they had something to fear from them? They fear them cause they have the lord on their side. Yes war is a terreble thing, but war is just a part of life. War for the right reasons(ex. in defence) is not wrong. And the war agenst Israel and Irac is just a sign of the end times comming closer.

And God is bringing an end to this world, just as soon as the last prophecy comes into completion and the antichrist come out into the open.

Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity.

Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion. So whenever you argue about which is real and which isn't you're as good as saying you don't believe in your own religion.

Really? So the fact he bribes you with going to heaven as opposed to hell isn't a form of persuasion and control? It's a temptation and a minor, small form of control.

If that was the case then there'd be these things happening daily. Fact is they aren't. They're just unexplained mysterious, you can't link them to religion at all. Just because you prayed doesn't mean anything. Hell i could speak to a barbie doll about my dead grandma and she could show up tomorrow, doesn't mean the barbie did it.

Really? So the fact he bribes you with going to heaven as opposed to hell isn't a form of persuasion and control? It's a temptation and a minor, small form of control.

Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion.

He gives you the choice. If you dont want to believe that his son dies for you to go to heaven, well theres hell. If thats where you truly want to go, Then I guess Ill be at the throneroom of judgement day to see you go.

*stuff about miracles*

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Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion.

That's quite possibly true. I believe most religions used to be one. They share the same views, only certain people have interpreted them differently and so different religions were created.

The problem is, no-one can say what -is- right. All I try to do is carry on through my life as a "good" person. However good is interpreted in different ways, just as religion.

"God" gave humans free will. From that alone I can say that He/She doesn't truely care about what we believe. If they did, wouldn't they have made sure everyone believes?

Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Why would they attack christians unless they had something to fear from them? They fear them cause they have the lord on their side.

Im sorry for helping to take this forum off-topic, But I WILL stand up for what I believe in when I see others trying to disclaim it or proove it dosent exist.

Islam isnt persecuted more then christianity, considering it isnt being made so that nothing of it can be public. How many phrases and monuments of christianity in the usa have had works done agenst them to be taken down? How many cults have searched out christians and murderd them? How come in almost EVERY major nation, past and present, have always hated and fought agenst christianity in public? How many people were inoccently murdered just because they were christians? You dont see Islams being massacrd in ancient roman times or even now. Islam is only being attacked because they are attacking Israel.

Author:	Anubis [ May 11th, 2006, 4:43 am ]
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I've been listening to this song on repeat for quite a while since I've bought Tool - 10,000 Days (album) I reccommend you all to listen to it, even if you don't like it though, you might want to listen to the lyrics. ------ Angels on the sideline, Puzzled and amused. Why did Father give these humans free will? Now they’re all confused. Don’t these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around? Plenty in this holy garden, silly old monkeys, Where there’s one, you're bound to divide it, Right in two. Angels on the sideline, Baffled and confused. Father blessed them all with reason. And this is what they choose. Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey. Over pieces of the ground. Silly monkeys give them thumbs, They forge a blade, And where there's one they're bound to divide it, Right in two. Right in two. Monkey, killing monkey, killing monkey. Over pieces of the ground. Silly monkeys give them thumbs, They make a club. And beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery. Repugnant is a creature who would, Squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, Conscious of his fleeting time here. Gotta divide it all right in two. Gotta divide it all right in two. Gotta divide it all right in two. Gotta divide it all right in two. Fight, over the clouds, over the earth, over sky. Fight, over life, over blood, over air and light. Over love, over sun, over another. Fight, all the time. Over what? Over Lies and... Angels on the sideline again. Been so long with patience and reason. Angels on the sideline again. Wondering when this tug of war will end. Gotta divide it all right in two. Gotta divide it all right in two. Gotta divide it all right in two. Right in two. Right in two. ------ Now I'm thinking, if there is a greater being, what would they be thinking? Humans are using their 'blessing' to kill one another, to make themselves more 'powerful'. Another, short, simple question yet not so easily answered than asked. Why?

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Author:	CreepyPirate [ May 11th, 2006, 5:34 am ]
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Exactly why there is no 'greater being' if there was he would of brought an end to the world long ago. Oh and if by chance there is an all mighty superman up there. I want nothing to do with him, he has blood on his hands - introduced religion to this world and now look we've got nutters blowing themselves up as a consequence.

Author:	Whitefire9 [ May 11th, 2006, 7:54 am ]
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Acctually there is a God, and if you look close enough at the signs, youll see hes real. Name 1 prophecy in the bible that hasent come true yet. youll find only 1, and that 1 is of the end times. Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Why would they attack christians unless they had something to fear from them? They fear them cause they have the lord on their side. Yes war is a terreble thing, but war is just a part of life. War for the right reasons(ex. in defence) is not wrong. And the war agenst Israel and Irac is just a sign of the end times comming closer. And God is bringing an end to this world, just as soon as the last prophecy comes into completion and the antichrist come out into the open.

Author:	CreepyPirate [ May 11th, 2006, 7:59 am ]
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Whitefire9 wrote: Acctually there is a God, and if you look close enough at the signs, youll see hes real. Name 1 prophecy in the bible that hasent come true yet. youll find only 1, and that 1 is of the end times. Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Why would they attack christians unless they had something to fear from them? They fear them cause they have the lord on their side. Yes war is a terreble thing, but war is just a part of life. War for the right reasons(ex. in defence) is not wrong. And the war agenst Israel and Irac is just a sign of the end times comming closer. And God is bringing an end to this world, just as soon as the last prophecy comes into completion and the antichrist come out into the open. Jesus being reborn. That didn't and wont come true. Although i've no idea if you'll consider that a prophecy or not. Point is if he hadn't brought religion to this world none of it would be happening now would it? Blood on his hands, no god that does that needs worshiping. Your turn, name one thing that's solid evidence of a 'god'. And don't say the bible for all we know some nutter could of written it up thousands of years ago. Not to meantion the church has changed the bible so much to meet with todays modern standards that none of it is really original anyway, they make this 'religion' up as they go along now adays. ..i wonder if this forum can actually have a religious topic without me needing to close it.

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Author:	Anubis [ May 11th, 2006, 8:11 am ]
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urm. o.0 One thing before this conv goes any further.. I wasn't implying any religion was correct or not. I believe there is 'a greater force'. However I don't believe they are in control of us. A creator nonetheless, who gave us free will. And that free will is why our lives are like they are, not because of a "god" or a "messiah", because we have free will. I didn't particularly want to focus on how religion is affecting our lives, but more onj how human's free will is choosing to destroy one another.

Author:	Brad [ May 11th, 2006, 8:22 am ]
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So that explains your msn name o.0 and yes.. it is thought provoking.

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Author:	murdererdood [ May 11th, 2006, 9:36 am ]
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Whitefire9 wrote: Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Islam.

Author:	Whitefire9 [ May 11th, 2006, 11:03 am ]
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Islam isnt persecuted more then christianity, considering it isnt being made so that nothing of it can be public. How many phrases and monuments of christianity in the usa have had works done agenst them to be taken down? How many cults have searched out christians and murderd them? How come in almost EVERY major nation, past and present, have always hated and fought agenst christianity in public? How many people were inoccently murdered just because they were christians? You dont see Islams being massacrd in ancient roman times or even now. Islam is only being attacked because they are attacking Israel. And the lord does not have control over us. We must accept him in faith. If God did have control over us, nothing like this would be happening anyways. He would have made it so we were unable to sin. And if you want proof, look at the miracls that have happened to people through prayer. How can a person with a termanal cancer all throughout their body have cancer cells everywhere inside them one day, pray for healing from the Lord, then the next day be completely cured? How can blind people regain their eyesight after being prayed over? How can a person crippled from birth be able to walk for the first time in their life after prayer? How can someone needing a new kidney suddeny have their old 1 completely healed when their church prayed for them? Heck, how can a dead person come back to life after being declared dead for 3 days when that persons wife prayed over and over throughout the 3 days period? Even I had a healing. I used to have seizures every night of my life for 5 years. One night my parents found me having a seizure, and took me to the hospital immediatly. The doctor found I had a blood clot in my brain that was constantly exploding, causeing the seizure. The ONLY way it could be MEDICALLY cured is through immediate brain surgery. My mother, Fauther, Extended family, And church prayed for me that very night. Next day, the blood clot was GONE, Completely GONE. The Doctors could not explain what happened. I was having seizures of a type they had never heard of( in a seizure, your memory of that time is erased. But with me, I remembered every choking, shakeing moment of it. Trust me, its not a thing I ever want to have again ), I had a possible fatal clot in my brain, and all the sudden it vanished. It didnt go somewhere else, they scaned for that. It was not found anywhere in the tests. Now tell me, how can you explain that medicaly when 20 top-notch doctors from 3 State hospitals say that nothing like this had ever happened before. They said I should have died years ago from the seizures. But here I am. If you can explain all of those, Id like to see it.

Author:	CreepyPirate [ May 11th, 2006, 11:35 am ]
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'Islam isnt persecuted more then christianity, considering it isnt being made so that nothing of it can be public. How many phrases and monuments of christianity in the usa have had works done agenst them to be taken down? How many cults have searched out christians and murderd them? How come in almost EVERY major nation, past and present, have always hated and fought agenst christianity in public? How many people were inoccently murdered just because they were christians? You dont see Islams being massacrd in ancient roman times or even now. Islam is only being attacked because they are attacking Israel.' Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion. So whenever you argue about which is real and which isn't you're as good as saying you don't believe in your own religion. 'And the lord does not have control over us. We must accept him in faith. If God did have control over us, nothing like this would be happening anyways. He would have made it so we were unable to sin.' Really? So the fact he bribes you with going to heaven as opposed to hell isn't a form of persuasion and control? It's a temptation and a minor, small form of control. 'And if you want proof, look at the miracls that have happened to people through prayer. How can a person with a termanal cancer all throughout their body have cancer cells everywhere inside them one day, pray for healing from the Lord, then the next day be completely cured? How can blind people regain their eyesight after being prayed over? How can a person crippled from birth be able to walk for the first time in their life after prayer? How can someone needing a new kidney suddeny have their old 1 completely healed when their church prayed for them? Heck, how can a dead person come back to life after being declared dead for 3 days when that persons wife prayed over and over throughout the 3 days period? ' If that was the case then there'd be these things happening daily. Fact is they aren't. They're just unexplained mysterious, you can't link them to religion at all. Just because you prayed doesn't mean anything. Hell i could speak to a barbie doll about my dead grandma and she could show up tomorrow, doesn't mean the barbie did it.

Author:	Whitefire9 [ May 11th, 2006, 11:52 am ]
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CreepyPirate wrote: Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion. So whenever you argue about which is real and which isn't you're as good as saying you don't believe in your own religion. The only true christianity is the one with the trinity, where Christ dies for the sins of man, Where the Holy Spirit is on the earth, And that Christ is coming back. Any other from of christianity is false. Quote: Really? So the fact he bribes you with going to heaven as opposed to hell isn't a form of persuasion and control? It's a temptation and a minor, small form of control. He gives you the choice. If you dont want to believe that his son dies for you to go to heaven, well theres hell. If thats where you truly want to go, Then I guess Ill be at the throneroom of judgement day to see you go. Quote: If that was the case then there'd be these things happening daily. Fact is they aren't. They're just unexplained mysterious, you can't link them to religion at all. Just because you prayed doesn't mean anything. Hell i could speak to a barbie doll about my dead grandma and she could show up tomorrow, doesn't mean the barbie did it. They are happening daily. Watch a christian channel for a bit and youll see. And name 1 other religion or scientific fact that can do all of those through the speaking of a prayer. And Anubis, That song sounds pretty good really. Cause really thats what our worlds come to. Were fighting umongst ourselves and its our fault to begin with.

Author:	Anubis [ May 11th, 2006, 12:36 pm ]
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Well, since this topic is going into religion anyway... creepypirate wrote: Really? So the fact he bribes you with going to heaven as opposed to hell isn't a form of persuasion and control? It's a temptation and a minor, small form of control. I reckon that hell was 'created' by priests. Just as the song implies. "God" gave humans free will, if he or she wanted to control us they wouldn't have given us that. Creepypirate wrote: Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion. That's quite possibly true. I believe most religions used to be one. They share the same views, only certain people have interpreted them differently and so different religions were created. The problem is, no-one can say what -is- right. All I try to do is carry on through my life as a "good" person. However good is interpreted in different ways, just as religion. Whitefire9 wrote: He gives you the choice. If you dont want to believe that his son dies for you to go to heaven, well theres hell. If thats where you truly want to go, Then I guess Ill be at the throneroom of judgement day to see you go. "God" gave humans free will. From that alone I can say that He/She doesn't truely care about what we believe. If they did, wouldn't they have made sure everyone believes? I don't believe in Hell myself, or heaven. But an afterlife for the good, or re-incarnation for the bad, so that the bad have a chance to "redeem" themselves, in a way. Both of you wrote: stuff about miracles Miracles are named miracles because there is no explanation other than believing that a greater force has affected the outcome in some way. I 'm not sure what i think about miracles. I want them to stay a mystery, otherwise everyone will be praying for a miracle and they will become "meaningless".

Author:	Whitefire9 [ May 11th, 2006, 1:18 pm ]
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Quote: Creepypirate wrote: Your one huge slip up. You realize being jewish, christian or even muslim isn't that diffrent? They are ALL branches off the same religion. That's quite possibly true. I believe most religions used to be one. They share the same views, only certain people have interpreted them differently and so different religions were created. Well actually thats true, most religions origonated from christianity, but they were perverted and changes along the way after the great flood. Geologists have examined and studied many religions and have seen that many have christian terms, facts, and ceremonys in them. Even the indians have a seremony that can be traced directly to a still-practiced jewish seremony. Quote: The problem is, no-one can say what -is- right. All I try to do is carry on through my life as a "good" person. However good is interpreted in different ways, just as religion. This is true also. We must believe in religion in our own way. We must believe in faith. Quote: "God" gave humans free will. From that alone I can say that He/She doesn't truely care about what we believe. If they did, wouldn't they have made sure everyone believes? God gave us free will so that we would except him for who he is. He WANTS us to except him, but he isnt FORCEING us, it is our own choice. Im sorry for helping to take this forum off-topic, But I WILL stand up for what I believe in when I see others trying to disclaim it or proove it dosent exist.

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Author:	Robbie [ May 11th, 2006, 1:44 pm ]
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Whitefire9 wrote: Name 1 religion thats persecuted more then christianity. Why would they attack christians unless they had something to fear from them? They fear them cause they have the lord on their side. I don't believe I've read a more ignorant sentance in my time on this site.

Author:	Crysala [ May 11th, 2006, 1:59 pm ]
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Whitefire9 wrote: Im sorry for helping to take this forum off-topic, But I WILL stand up for what I believe in when I see others trying to disclaim it or proove it dosent exist. Standing up for what you believe in is all well and good, but when you are trying to force your religious views onto other people, thats when you give christianity a bad name. You said it yourself, that God wants people to accept him themselves, therefore shouldnt you allow people to see it their own way and let them interpret what he did for everyone on their own? Standing there, trying to prove that youre right and everyone else is wrong wont get you anywhere. Religion is so diverse, no one can sit there and say that only one is right. Because thats simply not the case. We are all born different and therefore will all have different views of whats right and wrong. One man blowing himself up in the name of what he believes in, is right to him but might not be in the eyes of someone else. Its like saying that someone stealing food to survive is wrong, but to the person stealing it its right, because they didnt have another choice.

Author:	Robbie [ May 11th, 2006, 2:06 pm ]
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Whitefire9 wrote: Islam isnt persecuted more then christianity, considering it isnt being made so that nothing of it can be public. How many phrases and monuments of christianity in the usa have had works done agenst them to be taken down? How many cults have searched out christians and murderd them? How come in almost EVERY major nation, past and present, have always hated and fought agenst christianity in public? How many people were inoccently murdered just because they were christians? You dont see Islams being massacrd in ancient roman times or even now. Islam is only being attacked because they are attacking Israel. You're thinking of Jewish people. And the halocaust. When in all of history was a christian genocide?