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Author:  trekkie [ April 20th, 2011, 12:50 am ]
Post subject:  becoming president
So lets, pick people's brains.

To become the President of the United States, you must fulfill these three requirements.

1. Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn't have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.

2. One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. John F. Kennedy was the youngest person to be elected president; he was 43 years old when he was inaugurated in 1961. There is no maximum age limit set forth in the Constitution. Ronald Reagan was the oldest president; at the end of his term in 1988, he was nearly 77.

3. Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen.


Now the questions of the week.

Do you believe that somebody has to be a naturally born citizen in order to run for President?

should this law be revised to include immigrants to be part of the American Dream and be all they can be?

For the 14 years part, would you like to make more specific to say it must be consecutive 14 years or 14 years here and there?

If the Senate were to reform the executive branch of the government, what would you like to see changed or amended?



and no, this is not some stupid liberal crap to try and keep Obama in power and try to prove he was born in Hawaii. This is just a simple pick your brain question over what you guys think?
Author:  Adbot [ April 20th, 2011, 12:50 am ]
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Author:  Shane [ April 20th, 2011, 2:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Born in the country, yes definitely.

Immigrants and the American Dream? trekkie, I don't quite get you're going with this one :oops:.

14 years consecutive, why have someone who isn't fully dedicated?

As for reforming the executive branch, less power to the president. Make him largely ceremonial like our Queen/King is here in the commonwealth nations. Hate to break it to you all but the provisions provided in the constitution for the separation of powers really aren't valid in this day and age. Are we imploding here because there are no checks and balances? No. I think the American system is more prone to implosion, golly gee, let's shutdown the government! I'd rather have 4 elections in 7 years than have the government "shutdown".
Author:  ChrisT [ April 20th, 2011, 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Born in the US? nah we're a salad in the US.. I think a non US born person could do well in the presidents seat

14 consecutive years would be a great check to the above statement. If you've stayed here that long + have the people's vote. That should be more than enough to become president as well as the 35 year old requirement (thats not actually too bad if you think about it.. 35's a prime age)

I wouldnt change much other than that (that i can think of.)

i do disagree with shane on his points. The president and the house has pretty good checks and balances. The president cant do anything without the help of the legislative branch other than turning down what they want. The power is spread nicely through the government in my mind.. No one can do anything without someone else agreeing.
Author:  Warren [ April 20th, 2011, 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
When everyone was trying to pretend that Obama shouldn't be president because they were trying to pretend he was Kenyan or something I was like "lol wat". Seriously he is obviously a US citizen where ever he was born, I thought it was dumb to have a law that you have to be born in the US to be president. If you make America your home and your birth country becomes something you merely celebrate of your roots, how does that make you any less American than someone who was born there?
In the end they're all politicians, anyways.

As for 14 years, someways I think should be less but I guess that's fine. But not consecutively... sure 14 years total and some lesser time consecutively. If you move abroad that only broadens your experiences and is more of a plus in my opinion.

But for the other stuff I don't even know how it works. We learned about some American system stuff in grade 12 history but in all honestly I didn't care about it at alllll.
Author:  Ranging God [ April 20th, 2011, 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Im a little drunk so I will give a short reply.

I dont think there should be restriction. If someone is voted in (and I think that popular vote should be instated) that they should be president.


nuff said.
Author:  Pennstate315 [ April 20th, 2011, 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
I agree with Shane on everything should stay except the multiple elections in a short period. Plus, I don't think you should go off and change the Constitution, because that may lead to more changes, which in the end probably wouldn't be good.
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Author:  Shane [ April 20th, 2011, 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Pennstate315 wrote:
I agree with Shane on everything should stay except the multiple elections in a short period. Plus, I don't think you should go off and change the Constitution, because that may lead to more changes, which in the end probably wouldn't be good.


I was referring to multiple elections here in Canada. I'd rather have that than have the government shutdown if a funding agreement can't be reached.
Author:  Duke Juker [ April 20th, 2011, 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Yes, one should be a natural born citizen of the United States, not just some outsider who has no stake in the country.

No, immigrants should not be allowed to run, no matter how bad they want to be involved (not to mention the fact that I doubt we will ever see a Hispanic or any other nationality besides Caucasian or Black be president).

14 consecutive years, but it should possibly be 14 consecutive years leading up to your presidential run. If not 14 consecutive before you run, than at least 5-7 consecutive years of the 14.

No change to the office is necessary, imo. It was pretty well designed by the framers and I don't believe that their is anything crucial that should be changed.
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On an aside, I don't believe Obama was born in the US or is a natural born citizen of this country. The proof is slim or non-existent. The burden of proof lies on him, not on me or anyone else, to prove that he was born here, and if he can't produce a simple birth certificate, that's pretty pathetic.
Author:  Pennstate315 [ April 21st, 2011, 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Shane wrote:
Pennstate315 wrote:
I agree with Shane on everything should stay except the multiple elections in a short period. Plus, I don't think you should go off and change the Constitution, because that may lead to more changes, which in the end probably wouldn't be good.


I was referring to multiple elections here in Canada. I'd rather have that than have the government shutdown if a funding agreement can't be reached.[/q

Yes but it's written in the Constitution term limits, so I really don't like the idea of multiple elections. Anyway, this month they reached a resolution, and back when Clinton was president was the last shutdown. It's not like they happen on a yearly basis or anything.
Author:  Earth [ April 24th, 2011, 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Do you believe that somebody has to be a naturally born citizen in order to run for President?
Yes, if that means both parents are American, doesn't matter where they are born but the parents must have been in the USA for like 20 years :3

Should this law be revised to include immigrants to be part of the American Dream and be all they can be?
If they have been US citizens for 20+ years

For the 14 years part, would you like to make more specific to say it must be consecutive 14 years or 14 years here and there?
At least 5 consecutive, 9 here and there
Author:  CreepyPirate [ April 24th, 2011, 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Do you believe that somebody has to be a naturally born citizen in order to run for President?
I think if you've been living in the country for you know..20 odd years. At some point your considered a citizen of that country are you not? At that point you should be treated equal and allowed to run.

should this law be revised to include immigrants to be part of the American Dream and be all they can be?
:-s The ****?

For the 14 years part, would you like to make more specific to say it must be consecutive 14 years or 14 years here and there?
I'd say they'd have to be there for 14 years. Not lived there till they was 14 years old, **** off and come back again.


If the Senate were to reform the executive branch of the government, what would you like to see changed or amended?

Don't know. Don't care. Be more fun. Make them wear silly hats once a week.

That second question is ******* by the way. Has anyone answered that? Let me look. Shane didn't answer. Good. I have a better question right it's in relation to this;

Mr Duke wrote:
No, immigrants should not be allowed to run, no matter how bad they want to be involved (not to mention the fact that I doubt we will ever see a Hispanic or any other nationality besides Caucasian or Black be president).


Right ok. Now i can sort of agree with this. Sort of. I think he was more getting at nobody would vote in a hispanic person because of there race so not REALLY the same thing but there culture and way of life is..different from a white American right? I don't know actually. Lets say it is. Ok right cause If I'm honest. If a muslim stepped up and tried running for prime minister in this country. I'd not vote for him. His beliefs in my book would effect his decisions too much and his culture and way of life would be pushed onto me. Even if he claimed otherwise. That's how i see it.

So would you have a problem if someone born in your country but to a different religion or culture ran for president? Does that make sense or do i sound like a racist? I'm not a racist for the record. I'm a bigot.
Author:  Duke Juker [ April 24th, 2011, 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Yes, Creepy, I was more referring to nobody would vote for a Hispanic. Not saying they couldn't get elected eventually, but I don't know if this country would go for it. I wouldn't have a problem if anyone from another race ran and got elected if they were a citizen but of differing values and beliefs. Although one of the major points of getting elected is that you share similar values as the people who elect you. People from other races do run, they just run in minor parties. We've yet to see Repubs or Dems run people besides whites and one black person. Also, women are coming up too for election. I'm not sure if this country is ready for a woman president either, but who knows.

Oh, and I thought bigotry was slightly racist. But whatever. I believe you when you say you aren't racist. I am not either. I'm just pointing out that this country seems to have problems electing people who aren't white.

I don't think becoming president is as much a legal issue as it is an issue of gaining people's confidence and vote. If the people are with you, it might not matter what the Constitution says at that point anymore. xD
Author:  trekkie [ April 24th, 2011, 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Quote:
Not saying they couldn't get elected eventually, but I don't know if this country would go for it


that is what people said about a black guy becoming president.
Author:  Duke Juker [ April 24th, 2011, 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
Well, of all the races that had a shot of breaking the white barrier, it was the blacks. They are our largest minority if I'm not mistaken. Hispanics are probably second or close to passing them.
Author:  trekkie [ April 24th, 2011, 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: becoming president
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/ ... nal/main537369.shtml

Hispanics have surpassed blacks as the nation's largest minority group, the Census Bureau said Tuesday.

The Latino population grew to 37 million in July 2001, up 4.7 percent from April 2000. The black population increased 2 percent during the same period, to 36.1 million.



back on topic
should this law be revised to include immigrants to be part of the American Dream and be all they can be?

at the time it sounded good in my head.

the idea was should amend the constitution to give the ability of immigrants to become president of the united states. basically be all they could be.
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