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Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Brad wrote:

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Savage? Do you have any idea how savage the Japanese were to the countries that they invaded in the Philippines? They were inhumane in their treatment of the Filipinos living there, much like the Nazi treatment of Jews. Also not to mention the savagery of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

However, I'm not going to deny that our attack with the atomic bomb wasn't brutal. It was either take them out or let them continue their tactics while thousands of innocent Filipinos or American soldiers died. I prefer the former to be honest.

The Japanese weren't all so innocent in WWII. :wink:

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As for how the Allies would have fared without the US, I'm not entirely sure. I think a major impact of not having America's aid would be the lack of natural resources and products that Americans supplied for the war cause. However, even if the Axis did actually defeat the European forces I doubt it would have been easy with Churchwell commanding the British forces.

Kronic wrote:

Brad wrote:

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Please point out to me where I said the Japanese were innocent? I'll answer for you; I didn't say that. Are you not familiar with the saying 'an eye for an eye, would make us all blind?' Even though the Japanese regime was more than barbaric to other countries, that in NO WAY justifies the use of nuclear bombs against the innocent people in those cities.

Don't argue against points I haven't made.

Brad wrote:

... This patriotic orgy has gotten quite pathetic. The European nations combined could have held back the Nazis, without the Americans help.

Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

I was more refering to an article on Military.com. Germany had ran taken over France, and what if hitler haded attacked USSR, so hitler could focus most of his military power on the west front in the invasion. There was no europen force, there were some resistence fighters but no military.

Kyle wrote:

Brad wrote:

Towards the end of the second world war the USSR was against Germany, And German would have faced attacks in the east from Russia, and from the British (yes we did have an organized military, what you're saying is rubbish, Im sure for the first few years of the war we just held them off with sticks and stones, eh?) the fact that you guys ran in in the final few years and powered us to victory does not mean we would have withered and died without you.

Britain had been in it long before that and we wasn't and aren't the type to just roll over and die.

Author:	Kyle [ July 24th, 2007, 6:16 pm ]
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Imagine world war two without america. Do you think Britan could have held of the Nazi invasion, do you think Britan could have stoped japan? What if the Nazi's and Japan had invaded The Uk together, could the Uk hold back the invasion? Yes-No? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

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Author:	Brad [ July 24th, 2007, 6:31 pm ]
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... This patriotic orgy has gotten quite pathetic. The European nations combined could have held back the Nazis, without the Americans help. Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Author:	Mr Pink [ July 24th, 2007, 7:00 pm ]
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Of course, America didn't play a big role in World War II. Like Brad said, Europe would solve the issue by themselves perfectly fine even without American help.

Author:	Kronic [ July 24th, 2007, 7:03 pm ]
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Brad wrote: Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. Savage? Do you have any idea how savage the Japanese were to the countries that they invaded in the Philippines? They were inhumane in their treatment of the Filipinos living there, much like the Nazi treatment of Jews. Also not to mention the savagery of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. However, I'm not going to deny that our attack with the atomic bomb wasn't brutal. It was either take them out or let them continue their tactics while thousands of innocent Filipinos or American soldiers died. I prefer the former to be honest. The Japanese weren't all so innocent in WWII. --- As for how the Allies would have fared without the US, I'm not entirely sure. I think a major impact of not having America's aid would be the lack of natural resources and products that Americans supplied for the war cause. However, even if the Axis did actually defeat the European forces I doubt it would have been easy with Churchwell commanding the British forces.

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Author:	Brad [ July 24th, 2007, 7:15 pm ]
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Kronic wrote: Brad wrote: Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. Savage? Do you have any idea how savage the Japanese were to the countries that they invaded in the Philippines? They were inhumane in their treatment of the Filipinos living there, much like the Nazi treatment of Jews. Also not to mention the savagery of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. However, I'm not going to deny that our attack with the atomic bomb wasn't brutal. It was either take them out or let them continue their tactics while thousands of innocent Filipinos or American soldiers died. I prefer the former to be honest. The Japanese weren't all so innocent in WWII. --- As for how the Allies would have fared without the US, I'm not entirely sure. I think a major impact of not having America's aid would be the lack of natural resources and products that Americans supplied for the war cause. However, even if the Axis did actually defeat the European forces I doubt it would have been easy with Churchwell commanding the British forces. Please point out to me where I said the Japanese were innocent? I'll answer for you; I didn't say that. Are you not familiar with the saying 'an eye for an eye, would make us all blind?' Even though the Japanese regime was more than barbaric to other countries, that in NO WAY justifies the use of nuclear bombs against the innocent people in those cities. Don't argue against points I haven't made.

Author:	Ranging God [ July 24th, 2007, 7:40 pm ]
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Brad wrote: Kronic wrote: Brad wrote: Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. Savage? Do you have any idea how savage the Japanese were to the countries that they invaded in the Philippines? They were inhumane in their treatment of the Filipinos living there, much like the Nazi treatment of Jews. Also not to mention the savagery of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. However, I'm not going to deny that our attack with the atomic bomb wasn't brutal. It was either take them out or let them continue their tactics while thousands of innocent Filipinos or American soldiers died. I prefer the former to be honest. The Japanese weren't all so innocent in WWII. --- As for how the Allies would have fared without the US, I'm not entirely sure. I think a major impact of not having America's aid would be the lack of natural resources and products that Americans supplied for the war cause. However, even if the Axis did actually defeat the European forces I doubt it would have been easy with Churchwell commanding the British forces. Please point out to me where I said the Japanese were innocent? I'll answer for you; I didn't say that. Are you not familiar with the saying 'an eye for an eye, would make us all blind?' Even though the Japanese regime was more than barbaric to other countries, that in NO WAY justifies the use of nuclear bombs against the innocent people in those cities. Don't argue against points I haven't made. It is horrible that all those people died, but in the end it saved more lifes. When the bomb was dropped, and then the second, the war with Japan was put to an end instantly. If we would have invaded Japan there would have been mre lifes lost. I ma not trying to say "go drop a bomb on them" because I DO NOT support the fact that we dropped the Atom bomb on Japan, I am just stating why we did it. _____________ I think that Europe could have defeated the Nazi's with out America, but I do think that is was a lot easier when we invaded France (controlled by Germany) to end the war with the Nazi's

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Author:	Brad [ July 25th, 2007, 6:59 pm ]
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Kyle wrote: Brad wrote: ... This patriotic orgy has gotten quite pathetic. The European nations combined could have held back the Nazis, without the Americans help. Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. I was more refering to an article on Military.com. Germany had ran taken over France, and what if hitler haded attacked USSR, so hitler could focus most of his military power on the west front in the invasion. There was no europen force, there were some resistence fighters but no military. Towards the end of the second world war the USSR was against Germany, And German would have faced attacks in the east from Russia, and from the British in the west (yes we did have an organized military, what you're saying is rubbish, Im sure for the first few years of the war we just held them off with sticks and stones, eh?) the fact that you guys ran in in the final few years and powered us to victory does not mean we would have withered and died without you. I'm more than happy to sit back while the rest of you debate your precious consititution, but when you try and make it seem like you won us the war? Like we owe you? Like you actually did something for us? That's America all over.

Author:	Kyle [ July 25th, 2007, 7:02 pm ]
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D* Brad wrote: Kyle wrote: Brad wrote: ... This patriotic orgy has gotten quite pathetic. The European nations combined could have held back the Nazis, without the Americans help. Edit: Im also sure that if we had dealt with Japan, we wouldn't have resorted to the savagery of nuclear bombs and the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. I was more refering to an article on Military.com. Germany had ran taken over France, and what if hitler haded attacked USSR, so hitler could focus most of his military power on the west front in the invasion. There was no europen force, there were some resistence fighters but no military. Towards the end of the second world war the USSR was against Germany, And German would have faced attacks in the east from Russia, and from the British (yes we did have an organized military, what you're saying is rubbish, Im sure for the first few years of the war we just held them off with sticks and stones, eh?) the fact that you guys ran in in the final few years and powered us to victory does not mean we would have withered and died without you. I didnt say the Uk didnt have a military, they were the only military in Europe. The uk held of against the Nazi. You said the entire european force's could have held off the Nazi's. The only military in europe was the Uk.... EDIT\| Hitler and Stalin signed a non aggresion pact. So if Hitler had never invaded the USSR"S eastern front i dont believe Stalin would have invaded the Nazi's.

Author:	HappiestMaul [ July 25th, 2007, 7:23 pm ]
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I love the Uk, but by themselves, I think not. The Japanise would have demolished them with airel attacks.

Author:	Ult_Mac_Dady [ July 25th, 2007, 8:40 pm ]
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LOL IMMA TYpcical emerican i sai know!4894+ uber patriotical! Right brad? XD I'm sure the UK could have done it, but according to purl harbor (the move, if it's even accurate) The Nazi alliance was winning until D-day, witch i bleave America had a huge part in. I think. The wiki artical... tl;dc.

Author:	trekkie [ July 26th, 2007, 12:06 am ]
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no if hitler had actually done operation sea lion as planned britain would have been gone, that or he didn't go after russia. if japan had helped germany in the war with russia he might have won. besides if america didn't go into the war we wouldn't have our computers.

Author:	CreepyPirate [ July 26th, 2007, 3:01 am ]
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Lol. Who knows? Despite what some of these guys are saying there was no sure winner in ww2, it was difficult to know who was going to win. America only came in as the war was turning against hitler. Britain had been in it long before that and we wasn't and aren't the type to just roll over and die. The fact London had been bombed, daily, for weeks on end and we was still fighting back against a giant compared ot our little island is something to be proud of, where as a giant like America was taking a back seat and watching it kick off that's not so great. So could the Uk have won? I'd say so, Europe as a whole was beginning to turn the war without the help of America. Could the war have been stopped before it even begun if America had stopped Germany when they invaded Austria and Poland or when increased there army size over the regulations set at the end of world war 1? **** right it could of been, we put those laws in place and if Germany stepped over them we was to stop them, America didn't but to be fair, neither did Britain.

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Author:	EnglishPenguin [ July 26th, 2007, 3:21 am ]
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I personally reckon that we could have held them off. It ***** me off so much when I hear Americans saying "We saved your asses in WWII". That's not true, there's no conclusive evidence that it was because of the Americans that we won. In the end, Americans just sped it up by dropping bombs and killing lots of people. I don't mean to sound against the Americans, because you never know what could have happened, but I personally reckon we could've beaten them, it would have just taken longer. Creepy Pirate wrote: Britain had been in it long before that and we wasn't and aren't the type to just roll over and die. Very well said. I didn't read all of the Sea Lion thing, couldn't be bothered, and the TV was on, and I didn't really understand most of what I read, all I gathered was that Germany was going to invade England in the 1940s. I thought that athat was the major plan overall but OK. To sum it up, I reckon that England would've beaten them and won the world war, with or without the Americans, sure they helped, and sped it all up, but in the end, I reckon we would have beaten them, no matter how long it took. Woah, longest post I've written for a long time. o.O

Author:	zvono [ July 26th, 2007, 3:22 am ]
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I'm not really sure. I don't know history that much but I think that we would have maybe won it without the Americans. The Alliance between Germany and Russia surely wouldn't last long. Hitler sure had to make a mistake, he couldn't do it all flawless. If the Europe united we would have won. There would surely be some rebellions which would make it difficult for the Nazis as for the Japanese in the countries they invaded. ----- UMD I think you spelled 'Pearl' wrong (purl).

Author:	Anubis [ July 26th, 2007, 5:00 am ]
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Yes we could have. Sure, it would have take a few more months/years, but we'd been fighting for a lot longer than America (who, from my perspective, jumped in at the last minute - dropped a bomb, and decided that they were the sole saviors of the world) and we were doing fine.