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Author:  Cowboyofdeath [ November 17th, 2006, 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Who will win the console wars?
In two days the Wii will be released in America. Now the War begins!

(Note: The poll is NOT voting for who you want to win. It's for who do you think will win, not necessairly your favorite console :P )

I think the Wii will win becasue of its low price, er...unique controller. Games are meant to be fun, and you don't need photorealistic games to have that fun....

The PS3 will probably be pushed ALL the way down...for one thing it is too expensive, too heavy (OMG 11 pounds?!?!?!), it doesn't have full backwards compatibility, and there is a chance that the Blu-ray will never be popular.

The Xbox 360 may lose because....(1) it's more expensive than the Wii (2) um...someone make a second reason please :oops:

vote.

CAN SOMEONE MAKE THE POLL THING SAY "WARS" and NOT "WAS" thx :p
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Author:  The Haysta [ November 17th, 2006, 3:10 pm ]
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Wii hands down. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
Author:  Slimppu [ November 17th, 2006, 3:18 pm ]
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i would say xbox 360. i prefer Wii, but somehow i think that people wants an ordinary good console instead of some motion censor controller console with pretty bad variety of games.
Author:  CreepyPirate [ November 17th, 2006, 5:18 pm ]
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Very difficult to know. I've actually been sad enough to spend time reading gamespot.com pretty additively just to keep myself up to date on them all, so i at least know the one I've chosen isn't going to flop terribly and my money isn't going to waste.

It's an investment at this point, you're buying it because of what it's going to provide you in the future, predicting that far ahead can be difficult.

I'd say the wii will be the most popular to start with, for sure. There's like 16 wiis to every one ps3 it's going to outsell the ps3 easily.

Beyond that is any ones guess, the ps3 uses blu-ray if that flops (which I'm hoping it will) the ps3 is going to flop, imo.

The xbox360 is using HD or whatever, that's like a cheaper version of blu-ray but has less memory, hopefully that one will be the success which would pretty much nock the ps3 out.

Leaving the 360 and the wii. Whichever way that goes is anybodies guess, it comes down to what people want.

Do they want a console with superb multilayer that costs a lot and is just the same old thing?

Or do they want a cheaper, new and different console?

There is A LOT of wrong and stupid rumors going around about the wii, from idiots that've taken one look at it and went "OMG THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO SWING YOUR ARMS AROUND LIKE AN COMPLETE IDIOT".

"NINTENDO HAS KIDDIE GAMES"

Yeah, stupid crap.

As for the rest of it, Nintendo is cheapest to make games for..it's also the one console that's going to let developers be more creative because of the motion, 360 follows and the ps3 is final being the most expensive and hardest to produce for.

Because of that, i'm guessing the wii will have a lot more games made for it than the cube, with any luck (which, looking at the line up, it will do..it's already getting ports from the 360 and ps3, adapted to be better and take control of the wii remote.)

Either way, Microsoft have a bottomless money pit, they can give the consoles away if they wanted, so you have no worries about getting a 360, it's a safe bet.

Nintendo have all sorts going on that give them income, their also gaining money on the console (unlike the other two) so they certainly are in this for the long run and wont drop the wii, that's another safe bet, imo.

Now as for Sony (i know this seems extremely anti-Sony, but I'm just reporting back on everything i know cause I'm sad and need to get this info out.), they have A LOT riding on the ps3, they've not been doing to good lately, if the ps3 flops i can't see them holding out. Their slowly losing there hold on all the good games, the 360 is gaining them thanks to MS bottomless money pit.

Only thing i see worth playing on the ps3 is mgs and even that, really isn't impressive. Graphics for there games all look about as good as the 360s, certainly not worth the 600 dollar price tag.

Anywho, if blu-ray picks up and gets popular, Sony will win but will further lose it's dominance over the market and will lose it the next time round.

Wii will gain More games, get more of a grip on the market but still be in third unless the blu-ray flops, then they'll move up to second place - however will, over time gain back the market.

360 will take Sony's spot in time, they've already begun taking over..it's just a matter of time, they will be second this time round or first if the blu-ray flops.

I'm so sad for writing all this and knowing it all. :oops:
Author:  Anubis [ November 17th, 2006, 5:39 pm ]
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This generation, I think the Wii will dominate. However, if the Wii and the 360 were released on the same date there could have been problems.

Nintendo have gotten rid of Sega, who were dominating the games market before the millennium, Nintendo probably has the biggest amount of fans too, thank a certain green elf for that.

But, like Creepy said, Microsoft pretty much have their own orchard of money trees, unlike Sega, they're not going to be stupid enough to sell consoles at extremely high prices, and create add-ons for their console every couple of months. They're used to the computer industry, but are they as good with games as Nintendo are? Only time will tell.
Author:  trekkie [ November 17th, 2006, 6:08 pm ]
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i think nintendo because
1. they have been in the gaming business long before the others. only reason it went south was because they had the gaming market cornered for so long there was no real need to improve.
2. most WII games were designed to be played with the whole family, so not daddy can play zelda or something with his little boy.
3.they are japanese man. they probably have some koreans in their workforce
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Author:  Cowboyofdeath [ November 17th, 2006, 6:21 pm ]
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CreepyPirate wrote:
"OMG THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO SWING YOUR ARMS AROUND LIKE AN COMPLETE IDIOT".

"NINTENDO HAS KIDDIE GAMES"


I said the thing about swinging your arms around liek an idiot... :( and i mentioned something about the "kiddie games too"...but yeah...its what you expect from PS3 fans :P

CreepyPirate wrote:
I'm so sad for writing all this and knowing it all. :oops:


You remind me of the time I spent hours on the computer researching the PSP becasue I liked it...Good times...
Author:  Kronic [ November 17th, 2006, 8:24 pm ]
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I think Nintendo is riding on the Wii alot.

They produced the orginal Gameboy, NES, SNES, and N64 which are classics and still awesome to play. Then they kinda fell down to third with the DreamCast and GameCube which were decent consoles but were no match for Xbox and PS2. I think Nintendo is hoping that the Wii will be as much of a success as their beginning consoles and bring them back to being the top console.

PS3. Bit disappointing to find out older games aren't working correctly and the $600 price isn't helping either. All I have to say is Sony needs to step it up and get themselves together or they aren't going to go anywhere.

Finally the 360. You can't deny Microsoft will bring in alot of competion with their hold on amazing games like Halo 3 and Gears of War. Plus, Live is without a doubt the best online gaming console-wise.

I perosnally think the 360 will win this time, although I love my 360 so I'm a bit biased. Either way, I pretty confident it'll be a battle between the 360 and the Wii.
Author:  Dragon [ November 17th, 2006, 8:24 pm ]
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CreepyPirate wrote:
Only thing i see worth playing on the ps3 is mgs and even that, really isn't impressive. Graphics for there games all look about as good as the 360s, certainly not worth the 600 dollar price tag.


How could you say that MGS is the only game worth looking at? Have you even heard of Resistance? :roll: And as for the graphics being the same as the 360, they WONT. The relase games for the PS3 will have the same graphics as current 360 games and they have had 1 year to figure out how to make good games graphcially using the systems strengths. This time next year, the PS3 games will have way better graphics than the current ones now.

You all complain about the $600 price tag, but they have to make it that much because that's how much the system costs to make or else they would lose money selling systems. The cheapest Blu-Ray DVD Player out there now is at $900 so that just shows how costly Blu-Ray really is.

I personally think that the PS3 and 360 will both split the top spot and the Wii will be behind just because of the fact that the GameCube and Dreamcast flat out stunk and the Nintendo games aren't very impressive and they've really butchered the Mario series since Super Mario 64, which I consider one of the two best video games ever. (Other being Ocarina of Time) The only reason I would consider buying a Wii is for the Zelda game. FPS might be real tricky to poerate with the motion-sensor controller, and I know quite a few poeple who won't buy Wii for the simple fact that they didn't like the past 2 systems which could be a huge factor for others as well. All things aside it should be interesting to see how things turn out a year from now.
Author:  trekkie [ November 17th, 2006, 8:54 pm ]
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actually every console cost more to build than what they sell for. they make that up with the games.

WII lowered the price so that people would buy the system and buy tons of games to make up the difference. so what is costing the person $600 to buy a PS3 might actually cost $1000 to build. but remember though, to make the disk for the games cost maybe 5-10 bucks. shipping to store and pay for workers maybe another 10-20. selling the game cost around 50-60 bucks, that's a profit of 20-30 bucks per game. now imagine that same person buying 20...30...50 different games and accessories that's a lot of cash
Author:  The Killer [ November 17th, 2006, 9:55 pm ]
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Trekkie: I heard from a somewhat reliable source that Sony is losing $700 per PS3.

OT: *Puts my Sony hater personality aside*

I think that X360 and Wii are gonna be the ones competing closely and PS3 is going to move slowly.

X360 has high-end hardware and graphics, every graphics-wh0re would want it. They don't need fanboys to save their console. Look at the recently released games, like Gears of War and Dead Rising. They're new franchises, noone ever heard of them until they were released. And now they're the reasons people want to get a X360.

Wii has low-end graphics, only those interested in the gameplay will get it. However, it is the cheapest among the two/three, and the games will help the console to survive. I myself am not a Nintendo fanboy. But after viewing footage after footage of the gameplay, I'm intimidated to get a Wii. It's also mainly because I'm more about gameplay.

PS3(loud chorus of jeers) however is the most expensive price, and to be honest, I think that Sony is ripping off fanboys. Yes, I said fanboys. Nobody would want it mainly because 360 has better graphics(as pointed out by Creepy in the other thread), and 360 is cheaper. It doesn't contain any new games, it's just made of the old franchises that are fanboy'ed. At least Nintendo thought of more than just a new system to force fanboys to buy to play sequels of their favorite games.


In conclusion,

Graphics lover = X360
Gameplay guy = Wii
Sad fanboy forced to buy the most expensive among the three just so he can play the sequels to his favorite games instead of reading the storyline on Wikipedia instead = PS3

And I wasn't being PS3-hater-mode while typing this.
Author:  CreepyPirate [ November 18th, 2006, 6:22 am ]
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trekkie wrote:
actually every console cost more to build than what they sell for. they make that up with the games.

WII lowered the price so that people would buy the system and buy tons of games to make up the difference. so what is costing the person $600 to buy a PS3 might actually cost $1000 to build. but remember though, to make the disk for the games cost maybe 5-10 bucks. shipping to store and pay for workers maybe another 10-20. selling the game cost around 50-60 bucks, that's a profit of 20-30 bucks per game. now imagine that same person buying 20...30...50 different games and accessories that's a lot of cash


Nintendo is making about $70 on each wii sold, meaning they can easily afford to drop the price in the future to. PS3 is losing i think they said about $800, rotfl.

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How could you say that MGS is the only game worth looking at? Have you even heard of Resistance? Rolling Eyes And as for the graphics being the same as the 360, they WONT. The relase games for the PS3 will have the same graphics as current 360 games and they have had 1 year to figure out how to make good games graphcially using the systems strengths. This time next year, the PS3 games will have way better graphics than the current ones now.


I'm sure that's what you'd like to think but if you compare the ps3s graphics to the very first 360 games, there is little to NO difference. Do not be suckered into believing all those numbers sony is throwing at you, they did exactly the same with the ps2, claimed it was gods gift to the graphics world and it blew.

MGS IS the only game worth looking at and i hate mgs. Resistance is not a scratch on the 360s Halo or the wii's Red Steel. Sadly resistance is yet another fps, been done before, nothing new about it.

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You all complain about the $600 price tag, but they have to make it that much because that's how much the system costs to make or else they would lose money selling systems. The cheapest Blu-Ray DVD Player out there now is at $900 so that just shows how costly Blu-Ray really is.


Actually their losing about $800 every console sold. Saying it NEEDS to be that price is silly, it clearly does not. The 360 looks just as good graphically as the PS3, now if they can sell their console for HALF the price of a PS3, what exactly is sony making this thing from? Gold?

Blu-ray is not needed - wow it gives extra memory so it costs 3 times as much as the HD that the 360 is using? Who honestly wants 20 gig worth of extras on your DVD? Who even watches the extras? It's simply not needed, along with other things that have been throwin in there as a cheap gimic to get people to buy it (i.e the motion sensor that they ripped off).

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I personally think that the PS3 and 360 will both split the top spot and the Wii will be behind just because of the fact that the GameCube and Dreamcast flat out stunk and the Nintendo games aren't very impressive and they've really butchered the Mario series since Super Mario 64, which I consider one of the two best video games ever. (Other being Ocarina of Time) The only reason I would consider buying a Wii is for the Zelda game. FPS might be real tricky to poerate with the motion-sensor controller, and I know quite a few poeple who won't buy Wii for the simple fact that they didn't like the past 2 systems which could be a huge factor for others as well. All things aside it should be interesting to see how things turn out a year from now.


Tired of people bashing the games without even looking into it.

The wii has 27 games announced to be realised on the FIRST day, a further 50 have been announced to come out by the end of the year.

the announced games that are supposed to come out on the wii on the day:

Avatar: The Last Airbender
Barnyard
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Cars
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Elebits
Excite Truck
Far Cry
GT Pro Series
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports

Then there's also the fact you can buy snes, nes, N64 games online through the wii to play, adding more games to the selection. 8)

Had to dismiss that rumor, it's annoying me now.
Author:  Anubis [ November 18th, 2006, 9:30 am ]
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Kronic wrote:
Then they kinda fell down to third with the DreamCast and GameCube which were decent consoles but were no match for Xbox and PS2.


The dreamcast was sega's final console :P Not nintendo.

But yes, the gamecube was a disappointment.
Author:  Dragon [ November 18th, 2006, 10:40 am ]
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CreepyPirate wrote:
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I personally think that the PS3 and 360 will both split the top spot and the Wii will be behind just because of the fact that the GameCube and Dreamcast flat out stunk and the Nintendo games aren't very impressive and they've really butchered the Mario series since Super Mario 64, which I consider one of the two best video games ever. (Other being Ocarina of Time) The only reason I would consider buying a Wii is for the Zelda game. FPS might be real tricky to poerate with the motion-sensor controller, and I know quite a few poeple who won't buy Wii for the simple fact that they didn't like the past 2 systems which could be a huge factor for others as well. All things aside it should be interesting to see how things turn out a year from now.


Tired of people bashing the games without even looking into it.

The wii has 27 games announced to be realised on the FIRST day, a further 50 have been announced to come out by the end of the year.

the announced games that are supposed to come out on the wii on the day:

Avatar: The Last Airbender
Barnyard
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Cars
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Elebits
Excite Truck
Far Cry
GT Pro Series
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Madden NFL 07
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Metal Slug Anthology
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Monster 4x4 World Circuit
Need for Speed: Carbon
Open Season
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Red Steel
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Wii Sports

Then there's also the fact you can buy snes, nes, N64 games online through the wii to play, adding more games to the selection. 8)

Had to dismiss that rumor, it's annoying me now.


Out of all those games there are only 6 games in there that would be enjoyable. (And yeah, I went on Gamespot and read about them all so I do know about them.) Also, about 10 of those games have already been out for awhile. And on top of that, 9 of those games are for children. (And no, children games are NOT fun so don't use that excuse.)


Also, just to let you know, I don't hate any 3 of these companies so I'm not siding with one just because I like it more. I have Gamecube, PS2, and Xbox and I have played all 3 and I like the PS2 and Xbox games a lot but haven't picked up a Gamecube controller in probably a year, so that's what I'm basing my opinions on. The Wii may be different, hell I may buy one myself, all I'm saying is I don't think the PS3 well be such **** as your all making it out to be.
Author:  CreepyPirate [ November 18th, 2006, 11:39 am ]
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Out of all those games there are only 6 games in there that would be enjoyable. (And yeah, I went on Gamespot and read about them all so I do know about them.) Also, about 10 of those games have already been out for awhile. And on top of that, 9 of those games are for children. (And no, children games are NOT fun so don't use that excuse.)


Gamespot can't be doing reviews on them because it's not even released yet. They have about 5 reviews up, two are bloody terrible and the other 3 are getting good reviews, if i remember correctly.

Nintendo getting games that are already on the 360 isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing. As for the childrens games not being fun, i don't want to see you commenting or playing any game without an 18+ Rating.

As for me, i'll enjoy Super Monkey ball and it's 50 mini games that come along with it. 8)!

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Also, just to let you know, I don't hate any 3 of these companies so I'm not siding with one just because I like it more. I have Gamecube, PS2, and Xbox and I have played all 3 and I like the PS2 and Xbox games a lot but haven't picked up a Gamecube controller in probably a year, so that's what I'm basing my opinions on. The Wii may be different, hell I may buy one myself, all I'm saying is I don't think the PS3 well be such **** as your all making it out to be.


I'm not particuly biased myself, my first post was based around everything i'd found out. I owned a xbox last time, this time it'll be a wii. I dislike sony as a whole, so any bad news against the ps is always good to hear to me but nothing is being made up, i'm just repeating what has already been said.
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