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Take a few deep breaths; this is my opinion about the update
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Author:  Alex 43 [ December 10th, 2007, 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Take a few deep breaths; this is my opinion about the update
Let's start off with why I'm typing this. I support the update, probably because I'm the only one who actually read the entire development diary explaining the motives behind the idea. You heard me right, I SUPPORT. I AGREE with Jagex. I expect some hate-mail, but after you read this, think. Can you really hit me with just "Jagex ruined Runescape"? I know the long term effects, you don't have to hit me again with the same thing over and over.

Everyone is merely over-reacting to this change, and to those who quit ...

To those who quit, ask yourselves.

Why?

Because of the economy?

Because of the restrictions?

Runescape is a GAME. It is played for the FUN and ENJOYMENT and CHALLENGE. Status ... sure, but is it really?

Let's look at our losses.

Pking is fun. Was fun. That's why there's the Bounty Hunter minigame. It still exists. In fact, it's more convenient then ever!

Clan Wars without stuff dropped ... come on, do you really fight clan wars for the stuff or the glory? Think about it?

The trading aspect ... ok, I'm sure most of you are disappointed you can't "lend" or "borrow" stuff anymore. But "never a lender nor a borrower be", isn't it? I don't lend or borrow. I earn it myself! Much more worth it that way!

It's not as though you can't give food to anyone anymore. And for merchanting ... there's still the Grand Exchange! Can't go wrong with that, can you?

I know I rarely merchant, and never PK, but I've still succeeded. I've been playing since RSC first started. Heck, I've even gotten where I was without ONCE using a piece of runite armor. A personal record, methinks.

The things you guys need to understand is that trading, making money, and PKing are all MERE ASPECTS of the game. What about quests? What about the King Black? What about the God Wars dungeon? What about Castle Wars? What about skills? What has happened to them?

Absolutely NOTHING!

Heck, summoning is coming out! You'd think I'd quit now, after so many years of anticipation, when it's just THAT close? NO!

Jagex does what it does for reason. If real-world trading wasn't much of a problem, they wouldn't do this. But unfortunately, it must have been hacking at the company so much that they simply HAD to take such measures, or it would go out of control. Aren't there already enough riots against autoers and real-life traders as it is?

No, you'll see. A few over-reacters will quit, a couple of rioters will break out, and a few Jagex mods will get some second thoughts. In the end, however, everything will turn out fine. It always does.

Remember pest control? Nasty shock to many. Yet, life goes on. People still play it. In fact, it's so much easier now.

And hey, if we play our part and remain reliable, trustworthy Runescape players, Jagex might, just MIGHT, undo all of this.

As Mage Gower said, all it took was a few lines of code.

Now, I'm going to take your side for a few seconds. Jagex kind of did ruin one of the major fundamentals of Runescape - the trading system. Something that has been for so long enabling us to transfer items with ease. 3000 coins is hardly a difference, which I'm sure they will update to percentages like the Grand Exchange, allowing a margin of 5% or 10% difference so one can still merchant properly. But, assuming they dont .. then yeah, it would stink.

But look to the future. Jagex, without a doubt, anticipated this kind of reaction. They want feedback. They want ideas. They want to make Runescape perfect. How can it be done when so many want to take advantage of the imperfections?

And again, why do they over-react? I'm willing to bet money that the majority of them are reliant on the system of "free stuff" and "borrowing". Heck, many of them might even be autoers themselves, and are trying to spread the word, without any true, long-term reason, that the update stinks. And those who are honest, reliable players quitting ... why?

Just tell me. Why? Give me a reason.

Just one good reason.

Use nice, big words if you must.

Because I'm sticking with Runescape, and will continue to do barows trips, slay aberrant spectres, explore the God Wars dungeon, and even start going on a few wilderness treks, and will enjoy every moment of it.

That, after all, is what Runescape is all about!

So ... what can you say now?

And lastly ... what would you rather Jagex do instead of this?
Author:  Adbot [ December 10th, 2007, 10:54 pm ]
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Author:  Jaden [ December 10th, 2007, 11:23 pm ]
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I think some weren't expecting such a dramatic change; some may find the changes more satisfying than others; some may not even desire the change. The problem that comes to my mind is: the benefits gained from these updates are canceled by the disadvantages gained from these updates. I think that many are unaware of the benefits and are focusing more on the disadvantages. There are some good things that will happen in the long-run, but there are some bad things that will also occur. It evens out, and I think it isn't as awful as it seems.
Author:  Alex 43 [ December 10th, 2007, 11:25 pm ]
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Jaden wrote:
I think some weren't expecting such a dramatic change; some may find the changes more satisfying than others; some may not even desire the change. The problem that comes to my mind is: the benefits gained from these updates are canceled by the disadvantages gained from these updates. I think that many are unaware of the benefits and are focusing more on the disadvantages. There are some good things and there are some bad things that will occur with these updates.


Indeed. Plus, nothing's permanent. There have been riots in the past. In my eyes, this is merely a test.
Author:  Litis [ December 11th, 2007, 1:40 am ]
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As long as I won't get banned for selling 400 steel plate bodies at two thirds of the Grand Exchange price (because no one will ever buy them at the Grand Exchange price), the place in the Wilderness with the big bones didn't get deleted, and I won't have to deal with players that are 20 combat levels above me, I'm cool with this update.
Will I get banned? Fat chance. And if I will, I'll say 1500 gold is what steel plate bodies sell for at the armor shop and no sane player would waste nature runes like that and hope they understand.
Did the place with the big bones get deleted? I don't know, and I'm sort of afraid to check.
Will I be forced to kill players that are 20 combat levels above me? I think I misread something.
Anyway, I'm not quitting the game unless I'll get bored with it again or get banned (again, fat chance). If I'll meet a riot, I'll log in at another world.
Author:  matthewda93 [ December 11th, 2007, 4:18 am ]
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I agree. Everybody is thinking this is the end of runescape. It hasn't even changed the way I do ANYTHING even once since the update came out. I know people that PK are *****, but have half of them even tried out Bounty Hunter? Also, the trade cap is annoying. I think that they should make a 15% cap (or however much it is on the GE) so that people can merchant, give materials for items etc.
Author:  CreepyPirate [ December 11th, 2007, 4:42 am ]
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You said yourself these changes where to things you didn't do. It doesn't affect you cause as you said it's certain aspects.

Now imagine if jagex limited the amount of levels you could get a day. OR the amount of exp.

They've taken away freedom and put control on it and while that might have a few up sides, it's proven in todays world that dictatorships. This form of control that there putting on us is not good.

You WILL be seeing problems come up once Jan comes by, you WILL find yourself missing certain things and this game WONT be the same again.

More to the point this wont stop autoers, this wont stop gold farmers. Watch this spot, they'll find a way. And jagex will go after it with a nuclear bomb again and wreck something else.
Author:  Adbot [ December 11th, 2007, 4:42 am ]
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Author:  EnglishPenguin [ December 11th, 2007, 8:43 am ]
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Amen to what you said. I support Jagex, and think that what they did was a good thing, and sure, people may complain, but to me, it as worth it.
Author:  Cook Fishes [ December 11th, 2007, 9:55 am ]
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Bounty hunter is multi-combat. If I wanted to get piled by 6 kids with rune picks, I'd surely go to level 1 Varrock (Oh wait, never mind) or Fight Pits.


I say at least keep edgeville.
Author:  Alex 43 [ December 11th, 2007, 10:10 am ]
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CreepyPirate wrote:
You said yourself these changes where to things you didn't do. It doesn't affect you cause as you said it's certain aspects.

Now imagine if jagex limited the amount of levels you could get a day. OR the amount of exp.

They've taken away freedom and put control on it and while that might have a few up sides, it's proven in todays world that dictatorships. This form of control that there putting on us is not good.

You WILL be seeing problems come up once Jan comes by, you WILL find yourself missing certain things and this game WONT be the same again.

More to the point this wont stop autoers, this wont stop gold farmers. Watch this spot, they'll find a way. And jagex will go after it with a nuclear bomb again and wreck something else.


Oh come now. Why would they limit the amount of exp gotten in a day? What POSSIBLE reason would they have for that? Because people are getting level 99 too quickly? Uh, as far as I know, that's sort of the point of the game, is to train and get levels as fast as possible. You're over-reacting.

It's just some simple changes. It's not as though they removed Pking ENTIRELY. It's not as though they removed trade ENTIRELY. And again, trade is still there. It's merely "TO BE ANNOUNCED ON THE 10TH". Why would they wait so long? Just to give a heads-up? Or to get opinions and think of something different, encouraging other players to as well with the worst-case scenario as a motive?

It's just a change. You'll get used to it. Everyone will.
Author:  Big Karliny [ December 11th, 2007, 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Take a few deep breaths; this is my opinion about the up
Alex 43 wrote:


Because of the restrictions?

Runescape is a GAME. It is played for the FUN and ENJOYMENT and CHALLENGE.




Where chalanges now? wheres fun i mean come on whit these restriction its no fun and enjoyment to play rs and yes its just a game why make so harsh restristion to just a game?

And u say we look into this its bad coz of wildy ruined ect and as i understand u htink we just look from side of pkers but u look just form side of a player against pk and just forget that there is an other side u know....

And i am goign to quit not coz of wild at all or somthign i just got sick of jagex polition abotu honest players they dotn give a **** about us from the looks of these updates
Author:  CreepyPirate [ December 11th, 2007, 12:00 pm ]
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Alex 43 wrote:
[color=cyan]Oh come now. Why would they limit the amount of exp gotten in a day? What POSSIBLE reason would they have for that? Because people are getting level 99 too quickly? Uh, as far as I know, that's sort of the point of the game, is to train and get levels as fast as possible. You're over-reacting.


Why? Because if gold farmers can't trade gold over, and can't make money that way. Take a wild guess at what they'll be doing? That's right, there going to be selling runescape accounts instead.

I'll tell you who's over reacting though, Jagex. Besides, it was an example, there stupid enough to limit our trading they'd be stupid enough to limit the levels.

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It's just some simple changes. It's not as though they removed Pking ENTIRELY. It's not as though they removed trade ENTIRELY. And again, trade is still there. It's merely "TO BE ANNOUNCED ON THE 10TH". Why would they wait so long? Just to give a heads-up? Or to get opinions and think of something different, encouraging other players to as well with the worst-case scenario as a motive?


You don't pk, how would you know what affect it's going to have? I'm speaking with experience in mind.

For a start, 1v1 pking is gone. Finished. The bounty hunter area is just multiway. What's that go duel? Yeah with there 3k stake limit@@ Not to meantion the rules that restrict it. WHY do you think people 1on1 pked in the wild over dueling in the first place? It was done, for me, cause you didn't know what the other person had, what he was going to do. You had to adapt on the spot it was exciting. It's gone now.

Clans might survive it's hard to say. But clan wars? Lets see this ever so generous gift jagex gave clans to war in? It relies on clan chat, y ou can only have 100 people in clan chat. When i was in aclan we consistently pulled OVER 100 people.

So that's damaged as well. I hear rumors of not being able to bring items into the bounty hunter area as well, again, it's damaged things. You should also read the post, they said there giving us a month so we can return borrowed items, help out friends, bla bla bla. It's a chance to give stuff back before they screw trading.

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It's just a change. You'll get used to it. Everyone will.


Of course i will, doesn't mean I'll like it. Doesn't mean i wont voice my opinion about how bloody stupid it is.

edit: Know what can be a step towards SOLVING this problem?

Let us lend items the same way we can lend our skills. Let us lend items for a week and once the week is up, it auto gets returned to our bank unless the item is lost, in which case it's gone for good.

THAT would be a step to getting the game back.
Author:  Red Spear1 [ December 11th, 2007, 12:35 pm ]
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I agree with you to be honest.

I really don't think the updates are that bad, and we have a few nice ones coming on the horison :arrow: Summoning ..

Until Jagex goes further and adds really some uneeded restrictions, I think we are fine.
Author:  Big Karliny [ December 11th, 2007, 12:48 pm ]
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Red Spear1 wrote:
I agree with you to be honest.

I really don't think the updates are that bad, and we have a few nice ones coming on the horison :arrow: Summoning ..

Until Jagex goes further and adds really some uneeded restrictions, I think we are fine.


Dont u think summoning was just a trick to us to take atention so we wont take so harsh for these uber stupid updates? But as i think this tricks failed like hell and now jagex will pay a price already does alot ppls quiting and i dont say rs ends alot things to do whit no pk u ppl just concentrate to much on pkers-.- Old rule was told years ago if u dont whant to lose urs items just dont go to wild or be preaperad to fight for ur items against pkers-.-
Author:  CreepyPirate [ December 11th, 2007, 12:55 pm ]
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Just found out the bounty hunter thing. If someones assigned to kill you but you're not assigned to kill them.

If you KILL them defending yourself you can't leave the area for 5mins. XD

Now one 1on1 fight and you usually need to bank your loot you CAN'T do that now untill 5 mins are up. Chances are you'll die.

Nice work jagex, messed up even more.
Author:  Davo [ December 11th, 2007, 3:08 pm ]
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wow very powerful. yea the biggest thing i was concerned about was the trading stuff. i really like the new wilderness updates and the gravestones. the only reasont hat im concerned is becuase merchanting is one of my primary sources of money buy hey u know what? thatll just give me more incentive to get 85 slayer. its a blessing in disquise. and like the private server issue that was brought up, the fun of the game is the challenge, its not fun when u can type in a certain code and get 100m blue phats. i agree with the update but i hope jagex does change the trade balance to 5%-10% ish.

Great thoughts :D
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